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Post by stratogustav on Feb 10, 2018 8:02:35 GMT
It's the same think but hack and slash. What I mean by that is they satisfy the craving for beating up a bunch of enemies over and over again, but in a more modern gameplay setting. Yeah... But in most of the better musous doing that doesn't get you anywhere. I feel that they've branched into something different enough to touch that border between action and strategy games. Beating up a bunch of enemies in Musou games doesn't get you anywhere? That's all you do in Musou games. Beat 'em ups are exactly that, you beat a bunch of enemies over and over again. For both kind of games you need to have your input mechanics down, and for both kind of games you need to make a strategy. Otherwise you will be losing lives senseless and the game will become mindless. Obviously a 3D environment makes a difference, but that can be said for anything. Contra, Ikari Warriors, Victory Road, Prisioners Of War, Search & Rescue, Commando, are your war games. People still buy war games, but they have evolved. The same thing with platformers. A lot of people don't recognize Uncharted and Tomb Raider as platformers, but when you get down to the game design, they are platformers, just modern. |
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Feb 10, 2018 16:30:52 GMT
As far as 3D beat-em-ups go, I'd say games like Shenmue or the Batman Arkham games do a good job. Hack and slash is its own thing, separate from the beat-em-up.
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Post by stratogustav on Feb 10, 2018 22:27:06 GMT
As far as 3D beat-em-ups go, I'd say games like Shenmue or the Batman Arkham games do a good job. Hack and slash is its own thing, separate from the beat-em-up. Yes, if you want to be strict with the term the Arkham games are the real beat 'em ups. The hack & slash musou games have replaced the position beat 'em ups had, by satisfying that specific feeling beat 'em ups were there for, but in the strict term of the words the Arkham games are legit modern beat 'em ups. |
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Post by dschult3 on Feb 10, 2018 23:02:38 GMT
As far as 3D beat-em-ups go, I'd say games like Shenmue or the Batman Arkham games do a good job. Hack and slash is its own thing, separate from the beat-em-up. Did someone mention the Arkham games? Love me some Batman! |
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Post by Cervantes on Feb 11, 2018 0:05:55 GMT
As far as 3D beat-em-ups go, I'd say games like Shenmue or the Batman Arkham games do a good job. Hack and slash is its own thing, separate from the beat-em-up. Pretty much, yes. I'll always defend the fight against 70 guys in Shenmue as my favourite beat'em up moment ever (if played by someone who uses the more complex moves from Ryo's arsenal, like his reversals and grappling moves). By the way, you can add Sleeping Dogs to this list; also, Yakuza. One 3d beat'em up I wish had some sort of follow-up is God Hand. That game is too good to never have any sequels, spiritual successors or imitators. |
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Post by stratogustav on Feb 11, 2018 2:20:25 GMT
One 3d beat'em up I wish had some sort of follow-up is God Hand. That game is too good to never have any sequels, spiritual successors or imitators. I also was going to mention God Hand. I have the PS2 version digital on my PS3. It is pretty cool indeed. |
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Post by spidershinobi on Feb 11, 2018 12:44:36 GMT
You guys have entered some weird semantics territory. I mean, I'd enver call Trouble Witches or Enter the Gungeon "War Games", so I can't begin to tell where some of that is coming from. Well, since the topic derailed into 3D beat'em ups, has anyone played Uppers? It's a very very charming 3D beat'em up that seems to be very close to traditional Streets of Rage gameplay, but unfortunately it received no marketing and was released on a system no one owns. ( Super Best Friends Play video on it) |
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