Balder
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Post by Balder on May 14, 2018 23:24:55 GMT
Addendum: I've watched Blade Runner's blu-ray version last month and couldn't even tell any differences (besides the improved image quality and the very small correction in that line about how many replicants had escaped), that tells how discreet its edits are. No new CG characters being shoved into my face or anything. "I want more life father/fucker" is a difference. |
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cobretti
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Post by cobretti on May 14, 2018 23:31:39 GMT
I think the difference is that the Blade Runner edits actually significantly improved the movie where the Star Wars special editions changes were more distractions than improvements. Also, the theatrical version of Blade Runner is still floating out there, so if you for some reason like that version the best, you can still get it. Not so much for Star Wars. The original theatrical version isn’t available in any official capacity and may be lost to time. Also fans of big long running six-fi franchises tend to be a prickly bunch. A similar CG remastering of the original Star Trek TOS happened in the mid aughts. Although I find the remasters pretty inoffensive since all they did was updated some effects redid the ship scenes in CG (no giant beasts filling up the frame while Kirk and Spock are conversing) but some people found them to be sacrilege. My Blade Runner blu-ray has both editions and my Star Trek TOS blu-rays have both the original and new versions... HINT HINT THE WAY TO DO IT! Taking out the actor from the original Jedi and put in Hayden... is just wrong. I have the Blu Ray package that looks like an attaché case that had all three versions. I’ve not watched the theatrical cut but it’s there if I want. |
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Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on May 15, 2018 1:50:14 GMT
I grew up on the Special editions, but after watching the original versions, the changes seem incredibly pointless and ruins more than it tries to fix. It didn’t really need fixing to begin with. In regards to plot, that's absolutely true. However in terms of directing ROTJ did have a small number of minor problems, like the infamous force kick or Boba Fett's death, which has been a point of fan scrutiny since the film's release. So it doesn't make sense why Lucas declined to fix issues fans have raised with the film over the years and instead add entirely new scenes/effects to scenes that didn't need fixing, which leads me to my theory that Lucas just did these special editions as practice for directing the prequels. What's even stranger is that in ROTJ's DVD commentary Lucas swore that if he had the chance he would've changed Boba Fett's death, which makes one wonder why he didn't do so in the special edition. At least they improved the ending by getting rid of yub nub and replacing it with a far better track. |
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on May 15, 2018 16:32:30 GMT
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Post by Dan E. Kool on May 15, 2018 16:53:37 GMT
You know what bothers me the most? When people say "Hey, these are Lucas' movies, he can do whatever he wants to them!" I agree that it sucks for the people that worked on the removed content, but I still kinda fall into the category above. Love him or hate him, George Lucas is the reason we have Star Wars more than anyone else and his flaws are part of it, too. I feel pretty confident that we'll get an "Unedited" or " De-specialized Version" from Disney one day, if only because they know it'll make bank. There are already fan made versions out there. But a hundred or two hundred years from now when people look back on the original trilogy as one of the greatest works of 20th century cinema, the Special Editions will still get their footnote as one of the quirks of the genius that is George Lucas - the artist who didn't know when to put down the brush and call something Done. And Spirit Bomb isn't totally correct. The prequels have their flaws, but they don't rely on CGI any more than the new trilogy does, for example. Look it up online. They did lots of practical effects and did a lot of shooting on location. The CGI hasn't aged all that well, but it was impressive for the time, especially from such a (relatively) small team in the very early days of computer graphics. I like the look of the originals better though, all the same. As for me, I grew up with the pre Special Editions VHS set. I had thought I had seen the Special Editions until only maybe ten years ago when I was watching ROTJ for the first time in a long while and was totally caught off guard by that song and dance number on Jabba's sail barge. Replacing the Emperor's monkey face was OK, but that's about it. |
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dschult3
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Post by dschult3 on May 15, 2018 22:35:24 GMT
I would pay to watch the Laser Master movie. The birthday one? Not so much. |
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Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on May 16, 2018 2:58:05 GMT
You know what bothers me the most? When people say "Hey, these are Lucas' movies, he can do whatever he wants to them!" I agree that it sucks for the people that worked on the removed content, but I still kinda fall into the category above. Love him or hate him, George Lucas is the reason we have Star Wars more than anyone else and his flaws are part of it, too. I feel pretty confident that we'll get an "Unedited" or " De-specialized Version" from Disney one day, if only because they know it'll make bank. There are already fan made versions out there. But a hundred or two hundred years from now when people look back on the original trilogy as one of the greatest works of 20th century cinema, the Special Editions will still get their footnote as one of the quirks of the genius that is George Lucas - the artist who didn't know when to put down the brush and call something Done. And Spirit Bomb isn't totally correct. The prequels have their flaws, but they don't rely on CGI any more than the new trilogy does, for example. Look it up online. They did lots of practical effects and did a lot of shooting on location. The CGI hasn't aged all that well, but it was impressive for the time, especially from such a (relatively) small team in the very early days of computer graphics. I like the look of the originals better though, all the same. As for me, I grew up with the pre Special Editions VHS set. I had thought I had seen the Special Editions until only maybe ten years ago when I was watching ROTJ for the first time in a long while and was totally caught off guard by that song and dance number on Jabba's sail barge. Replacing the Emperor's monkey face was OK, but that's about it. I never said the CG in either the prequels or the special editions looked bad, I merely said that in the special editions the new CG effects clash with the old effects. And even though the added effects in the special editions look a bit dated by comparison to the newer films (including the prequels), they're still impressive in terms of art direction and imagination, so therefore I still enjoy them. Stop assuming, please and thank you. |
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leaon79s
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Post by leaon79s on May 16, 2018 18:52:08 GMT
I have only one thing to say to the SWSEs... Bring my shuttle !  Well, that and Han shot first. I could forgive pretty much everything else if not for the removal/alteration of just those two scenes. Yes, even Hayden... who had the presumptuosness to appear next to Sir Alec Guinness... (technically not the 1997 SWSEs but whatever...)
He's not all that bad actually. Ha- haaaa...  |
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on May 16, 2018 19:01:05 GMT
Stop assuming, please and thank you. I haven't assumed anything. Two pages ago you said, "[George Lucas] would go on to use CG almost exclusively in the prequels." And I'm telling you that's incorrect. There were a lot of practical effects in the prequels, enough to say that "exclusively CG" is an overstatement. I don't give a rat's ass if you enjoy them or not. It's my own opinion that they haven't aged as well as the practical effects in the originals. Learn how to read, please and thank you. |
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Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on May 17, 2018 1:36:45 GMT
Stop assuming, please and thank you. I haven't assumed anything. Two pages ago you said, "[George Lucas] would go on to use CG almost exclusively in the prequels." And I'm telling you that's incorrect. There were a lot of practical effects in the prequels, enough to say that "exclusively CG" is an overstatement. I don't give a rat's ass if you enjoy them or not. It's my own opinion that they haven't aged as well as the practical effects in the originals. Learn how to read, please and thank you. In my own words: " ALMOST exclusively", not "exclusively". Dan, I don't know what the hell you've got wedged up your ass right now, but it ain't my fault it's there, so don't take your anger out on me. Go be cranky somewhere else. |
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cobretti
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Post by cobretti on May 17, 2018 2:06:01 GMT
 Time to kick back and watch some fireworks! |
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on May 20, 2018 1:30:52 GMT
My first experience watching the entirety of ep 4-6 was through the DVD set that came out in the mid 2000s. I gotta say that despite the changes you're still getting basically the same exact story at the end of the day. I can see why people would be angry since most of the changes were unnecessary to begin with (I'm not a fan of Greedo shooting first myself), but I think the hate for the special edition is a bit overblown.
I just see the special editions as a wasted opportunity. Instead of changing dumb shit they could've added more scenes for Boba Fett or something. What a waste of potential that guy was. |
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on May 20, 2018 18:49:52 GMT
Time to kick back and watch some fireworks! Nah, no fire works. We're all perfectly calm here. I'm sure that by now Spirit Bomb has seen what an idiot he was being and how ridiculous his comments were and he probably feels pretty bad about it. I forgive him. It's silly to get so worked up over CG in Star Wars, but then again, the Maestro is often a very silly guy! Haha, I kid of course. No, that's all behind us now. Still, I would suggest that he try to read a comment more carefully before replying to it in the future. Just a little piece of friendly advice between friends. |
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on May 20, 2018 22:29:10 GMT
Time to kick back and watch some fireworks! Nah, no fire works. We're all perfectly calm here. I'm sure that by now Spirit Bomb has seen what an idiot he was being and how ridiculous his comments were and he probably feels pretty bad about it. I forgive him. It's silly to get so worked up over CG in Star Wars, but then again, the Maestro is often a very silly guy! Haha, I kid of course. No, that's all behind us now. Still, I would suggest that he try to read a comment more carefully before replying to it in the future. Just a little piece of friendly advice between friends. h  |
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on May 21, 2018 1:42:41 GMT
I remember watching the entire saga all the way from Episode I to Episode VI within the same week before Episode VII came out. I was blown away when I saw Anakin at the end of Episode VI. I asked myself how the hell did they find an actor that looked exactly the same like the actor from 1983? It wasn't until last year that my brother told it was edited later on.
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