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Post by stratogustav on Jun 9, 2018 2:05:04 GMT
All I can think of is the $700 cosmetics DLC that will inevitably come from this. Koei basically introduced that craziness for consoles with DOA5, making fighting games part of the whole gaming as a service model back in 2012. Then Street Fighter and Killer Instinct followed that trend.
I respect the Tekken Team for not taking the same route with Tekken 7, and I hope Soul Calibur VI doesn't do it either.
DOA6 looks pretty great though. Let's not forget that DOA5 was already looking dated in comparison to the DOA Xtreme 3 engine graphics came out, but that's a thing 3D fighters always have to deal with.
There is like 1% chance DOA6 doesn't do the same DLC overpriced model, but with all the money they made with DOA5, I really doubt it. I'm definitely guilty of it, but once you start it is hard to stop.
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Post by cobretti on Jun 9, 2018 2:56:46 GMT
Toned down breast physics and more covered up women? No dice!
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 9, 2018 3:08:33 GMT
Toned down breast physics and more covered up women? No dice! Haha knowing them, they are doing that probably to sell those more revealing costumes later on. The characters are all looking pretty young I must say. |
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Jun 9, 2018 4:29:48 GMT
Never thought I'd see a DoA trailer be such a sausage fest. You gotta wonder if Koei is getting nervous about sexualizing products they plan on selling in the west, considering what they did with Xtreme 3.
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 9, 2018 4:35:10 GMT
Never thought I'd see a DoA trailer be such a sausage fest. You gotta wonder if Koei is getting nervous about sexualizing products they plan on selling in the west, considering what they did with Xtreme 3. Haha yeah, I'm thinking it's just to avoid commentary from gaming news outlets from the trailer, plus they want to attract serious fighters too. They don't like the backslash, but it is guaranteed the actual game will have some level of fan service. Not as much as Xtreme 3 though, that's more on the extreme level, more like DO5 has fan service now. |
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Post by cobretti on Jun 9, 2018 11:49:09 GMT
Never thought I'd see a DoA trailer be such a sausage fest. You gotta wonder if Koei is getting nervous about sexualizing products they plan on selling in the west, considering what they did with Xtreme 3. Haha yeah, I'm thinking is just to avoid commentary from gaming news outlets from the trailer, plus they want to attract serious fighters too. They don't like the backslash, but it is guaranteed the actual game will have some level of fan service. Not as much as Xtreme 3 though, that's more on the extreme level, more like DO5 has fan service now. I know they are only doing this to pander to the soy tittied nu-males and blue haired 400 pound lesbians that make up western games journalism, but why? These people don’t buy games and certainly not Dead or Alive games. The only thing they’ll do is alienate long time fans who enjoyed both the fun fighting and the fan service. I’m sure it’ll be ok as a fighting game but the fan service really made those games special. |
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Jun 9, 2018 17:16:37 GMT
cobretti "soy tittied nu-males"?Define please. This term is unfamiliar to me.
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Post by fsfsxii on Jun 9, 2018 19:24:49 GMT
Tekken is worse off when its trying to appeal to the arcade crowd while ignoring its console playerbase.
I don't care about the fanservice stuff in DoA, but i think TN kinda felt disgraced when other fighters introduce new mechanics while sfreamlining the overall game, and DOA adds bikinis every 2 weeks.
The new mechanics previewed in the trailer look fresh and interesting, and honestly the announcement is a cool surprise.
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Post by cobretti on Jun 9, 2018 19:58:34 GMT
cobretti "soy tittied nu-males"?Define please. This term is unfamiliar to me. Google "Nathan Grayson" and "Patrick Klepek" |
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 9, 2018 20:32:49 GMT
I know they are only doing this to pander to the soy tittied nu-males and blue haired 400 pound lesbians that make up western games journalism, but why? These people don’t buy games and certainly not Dead or Alive games. The only thing they’ll do is alienate long time fans who enjoyed both the fun fighting and the fan service. I’m sure it’ll be ok as a fighting game but the fan service really made those games special. has a good point, DOA generally has so much fan service that not seeing it on the trailer makes the game look fresh. I would also add that they want players to notice the new on the face critical arts. In other words, Tecmo wants to emphasize that once again they gave the necessary attention to delivering another proper fighting game. Considering that after Last Round they released Xtreme 3, they probably don't want people to think that they take for granted their sales just for the fan service alone because they know that ultimately people buy thier games for the gameplay those games offer, as bizarre as that may sound, fan service is only a plus to squeeze more money out of people when you have a good game. Other games that are known for fan service like Senran Kagura know this. They always deliver great gameplay because they know fan service alone doesn't sell games, it just upsales it. I love all the fan service because it looks good to the eye, no amount of SJWs can convince me about what my eyeballs should like. I'm basically voting for freedom. The game may look from the trailer that it will lack fan service, but most likely it will have tons, and we know it because Team Ninja adds fan service to everything from Hyrule Warriors to Ninja Gaiden. They know we know this, so they don't worry about it. That said, if some people are feeling the fan service won't be there, they also don't worry because Tecmo is the kind of publisher that doesn't focus on the launch alone, they keep trying to sell you the game in any way possible, years after. They even go to the extent of releasing a free vèrsion to hook more people up. They also make new versions, and add a lot of stuff so you can keep giving them money, and they are very shameless about it. |
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Post by cobretti on Jun 9, 2018 20:53:40 GMT
I know they are only doing this to pander to the soy tittied nu-males and blue haired 400 pound lesbians that make up western games journalism, but why? These people don’t buy games and certainly not Dead or Alive games. The only thing they’ll do is alienate long time fans who enjoyed both the fun fighting and the fan service. I’m sure it’ll be ok as a fighting game but the fan service really made those games special. has a good point, DOA generally has so much fan service that not seeing it on the trailer makes the game look fresh. I would also add that they want players to notice the new on the face critical arts. In other words, Tecmo wants to emphasize that once again they gave the necessary attention to delivering another proper fighting game. Considering that after Last Round they released Xtreme 3, they probably don't want people to think that they take for granted their sales just for the fan service alone because they know that ultimately people buy thier games for the gameplay those games offer, as bizarre as that may sound, fanservice is only a plus to squeeze more money out of people when you have a good game. Other games that are known for fanservice like Senran Kagura know this. They always deliver great gameplay because they know fan service alone doesn't sell games, it just upsales it. I love the fan service because it looks good to the eye, no amount of SJWs can convince me about what my eyeballs should like. I'm basically voting for freedom. The game may look from the trailer that it will lack fan service, but most likely it will have tons, and we know it because Team Ninja adds fan service to everything from Hyrule Warriors to Ninja Gaiden. They know we know this, so they don't worry about it. That said, if some people are feeling the fan service won't be there, they also don't worry because Tecmo is the kind of publisher that doesn't focus on the launch alone, they keep trying to sell you the game in any way possible, years after. They even go to the extent of releasing a free vèrsion to hook more people up. They also make new versions, and add a lot of stuff so you can keep giving them money, and they are very shameless about it. Still, there isn’t any jiggling breasts and I love jiggling breasts. When it came to video game jugs, Dead or Alive was the best. |
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 9, 2018 20:55:49 GMT
Still, there isn’t any jiggling breasts and I love jiggling breasts. When it came to video game jugs, Dead or Alive was the best. I agree, they should be less shameful about it, fuck SJWs. Tecmo don't be afraid, we will deffend jiggling breats to the end of time. No worries though, I'm sure they will be there. Remember how in the 90s you were able to adjust the level of blood? Well, in DOA that applies to the breasts movement. Hopefully they won't sell it as an add-on. |
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Post by Cervantes on Jun 9, 2018 23:38:07 GMT
I really don't think they care that much about some current strands of game journalism, especially with Tecmo-Koei being *very* japanese developers and all that.
I think the lack of fan service is mostly a response from all the criticism about DOA 5 being more worried about selling clothes than being a good fighting game. I'm sure this first trailer was just to pick up interest in DOA 6 being a more "hardcore" fighting game; the game itself will certainly have plenty of fan service.
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 9, 2018 23:44:47 GMT
I really don't think they care that much about some current strands of game journalism, especially with Tecmo-Koei being *very* japanese developers and all that. I think the lack of fan service is mostly a response from all the criticism about DOA 5 being more worried about selling clothes than being a good fighting game. I'm sure this first trailer was just to pick up interest in DOA 6 being a more "hardcore" fighting game; the game itself will certainly have plenty of fan service. They do care, that's why they didn't bring Xtreme 3 to the West. DOA5LR was known for having good fighting mechanics, specially with the depth behind tag combos and whatnot. The criticism of selling outfits never undermined the gameplay mechanics of the game. People know Last Round is a well rounded fighting game, it is just hard to keep it at tournaments because of the sexuality of the game, and that's the reason why Tecmo noticed this mattered for Dead Or Alive. Like I mentioned before, they just want people to know that the good gameplay mechanics will continue on the next game, and that they haven't become lazy all of the sudden relying on selling the game through fan service this time. |
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Post by Cervantes on Jun 10, 2018 0:13:53 GMT
stratogustav - Personally, I doubt any of that was a factor in bringing Xtreme 3 over. What, if bringing that game was seriously profitable, they would kindly deny that money because someone could write mean words on a gaming blog? They didn't bring it just because that spin-off series never had much success in the West. That's the same reason why they also released it exclusively for PS4/Vita, while previous entries were on Xbox consoles - it's all a matter of which console/market is more profitable. If anything, the fake controversy garnered attention and drove a lot of import copies to western players (without Koei-Tecmo having to spend money properly localizing and distributing the game in the West). Just to go on a side note here: while people talk about a developer not releasing a game because of controversy related to moralist game journalism, I open my Steam store page and see it littered with anime boobies - if anything, sites like Rock Paper Shotgun (which tends to be very moralist sometimes) heavily criticized Valve when it threatened taking down some visual novels recently. I frankly don't remember any particular game badly received by the press because of fan service - I mean, isn't Bayonetta one of the most beloved japanese series nowadays? Except for one or another fringe writer trying to grasp at straws to criticize its fan service, I remember almost every gaming site celebrating Bayonetta 2, the pc port of 1, the Switch rerelease and the announcement of 3. We're talking about a series where the heroine is almost naked every three or four attacks and you don't see much controversy around it. Of course, if a game is already bad and only has fan service to offer, then it will certainly be reviled, but I never see a good game being badly received because of fan service. Bottom line, about DOA, I think it's just what you said:
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