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Post by cobretti on Jul 26, 2018 11:28:11 GMT
I wouldn't enjoy it. Aside from the graphics and physics it seems like a downgrade in every respect. Modding aside, Oblivion and especially Morrowind give the player so much more power and freedom, mainly through spellcrafting, as well as through enchanting in Morrowind (Oblivion had enchanting but it was much more toned down). But my point remains the same: in the older games using magic was so much more fun. And since I never got much enjoyment out of playing as an archer or using melee combat, I know for sure that Skyrim would be boring as hell. You never battled a giant bear with a sword and shield or go hunting with a bow in Skyrim? Melee combat is great in it. Melee combat in Skyrim is pretty lousy, but Melee Maestro is a pretty cool guy. |
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Post by teddykongcountry on Jul 26, 2018 18:31:35 GMT
Not fond of the game. Oblivion was just more interesting. Skyrim was all about "dragons" and "shrines."
*yawn*
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Jul 27, 2018 17:10:55 GMT
It's hard for me to talk about this game properly since I haven't played vanilla Skyrim since 2011 (and that was on console too, yikes). I've always went out of my way to mod the shit out of it.
Like some others in this thread have said, Skyrim was taking the series in the wrong direction. Sure Skyrim is the most playable and easiest to get into out of all the TES games, and I think that counts for something. That said, I think Bethesda reached too far in their attempt to appeal to the average gamer, and a lot of the RPG elements that worked so well in previous games were neutered in the process. Not that the adventure aspect didn't take a hit as well, but the RPG aspect easily got the worst of it.
The adventure aspect is still pretty good though. There's about 100 different fetch quests that send you to 100 different dragur tombs
that all seem to blend together. Aside from that monotony though, there are some interesting quests and locations in Skyrim. The quests don't leave quite the impact that Oblivion's did, but some locations like Markarth and Windhelm really stand out.
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Post by dschult3 on Jul 27, 2018 20:36:06 GMT
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Jul 27, 2018 21:20:43 GMT
It's hard for me to talk about this game properly since I haven't played vanilla Skyrim since 2011 (and that was on console too, yikes). I've always went out of my way to mod the shit out of it. Like some others in this thread have said, Skyrim was taking the series in the wrong direction. Sure Skyrim is the most playable and easiest to get into out of all the TES games, and I think that counts for something. That said, I think Bethesda reached too far in their attempt to appeal to the average gamer, and a lot of the RPG elements that worked so well in previous games were neutered in the process. Not that the adventure aspect didn't take a hit as well, but the RPG aspect easily got the worst of it. The adventure aspect is still pretty good though. There's about 100 different fetch quests that send you to 100 different dragur tombs that all seem to blend together. Aside from that monotony though, there are some interesting quests and locations in Skyrim. The quests don't leave quite the impact that Oblivion's did, but some locations like Markarth and Windhelm really stand out. Despite not having played Skyrim myself, your opinion largely reflects that of many longtime TES fans who have played it, so I believe what you're saying. Honestly what Bethesda has done to this series is just tragic. It breaks my heart that more people have played Skyrim than all of the other Elder Scrolls games combined. These people will probably never experience the older titles and understand what made them so exceptional for their time. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 27, 2018 22:44:41 GMT
Damn, scipioafricanus , why are so many people shitting all over your game? Well when one guy who does hasn't played it...
I regret nothing.
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Post by Cervantes on Jul 31, 2018 2:19:14 GMT
I don't think of Skyrim as a truly bad game, just as a very average one on almost every aspect. The world is huge, but every "dungeon" is pretty much the same; the combat isn't atrocious, but has no strategy to it; the story isn't terrible, but it's the most generic fantasy; there are a lot of quests, but they are just countless variations of very few ones.
I still spent hours upon hours on it mostly doing two things: random exploration (even if most dungeons are repeats, there are still a great number of interesting places to discover and characters to meet or situations to get into) and installing/testing mods. Some mods make it very interesting; at one point, I turned it into practically a survival horror game: nights and dungeons were unbereably dark if I didn't have a torch or used fire magic, I had to eat and sleep (and could set up camps in longer trips), could die of hypothermia if I didn't have appropriate cloth or if I went swimming in cold water, there were very strong rains and snow and I couldn't use fast travel. It was awesome. I was also using other mods to make the game look actually good - I would even say it became the best looking game I had played until then.
So Skyrim might be a fun experience provided you aren't locked to the vanilla game. Considering only the vanilla Skyrim, I rate it a 3 (that's my vote), but the right mods easily bring it to a 5.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 4, 2018 18:01:14 GMT
I don't think of Skyrim as a truly bad game, just as a very average one on almost every aspect. The world is huge, but every "dungeon" is pretty much the same; the combat isn't atrocious, but has no strategy to it; the story isn't terrible, but it's the most generic fantasy; there are a lot of quests, but they are just countless variations of very few ones. I still spent hours upon hours on it mostly doing two things: random exploration (even if most dungeons are repeats, there are still a great number of interesting places to discover and characters to meet or situations to get into) and installing/testing mods. Some mods make it very interesting; at one point, I turned it into practically a survival horror game: nights and dungeons were unbereably dark if I didn't have a torch or used fire magic, I had to eat and sleep (and could set up camps in longer trips), could die of hypothermia if I didn't have appropriate cloth or if I went swimming in cold water, there were very strong rains and snow and I couldn't use fast travel. It was awesome. I was also using other mods to make the game look actually good - I would even say it became the best looking game I had played until then. So Skyrim might be a fun experience provided you aren't locked to the vanilla game. Considering only the vanilla Skyrim, I rate it a 3 (that's my vote), but the right mods easily bring it to a 5. The first two TES games (Arena and Daggerfall) were part survival game from what I've seen, and Morrowind had a lot of survival mechanics as well, mostly "dice rolling" kind, such as the possibility of catching diseases or being attacked by monsters if you sleep in the wilderness, along with other aspects like how enemies were not leveled, which made the game considerably harder and more realistic at lower levels. Oblivion trimmed out a significant amount of these mechanics, though you can still contract numerous diseases through combat with wild animals, but I still wouldn't consider Oblivion even part survival game. Knowing Bethesda, I suspect Skyrim has tossed out even more of these elements that were present in the earlier games; I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was not a single survival element left in the game. |
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Post by Cervantes on Aug 4, 2018 18:39:04 GMT
Spirit Bomb - I wish I had more patience for western open-world RPGs, because Morrowind looks really nice and I should play it (the only wRPG I'm still looking forward to play right now is The Witcher 3, because that series is just something else). EDIT: Just one hilarious thing about Skyrim's combat. I mostly played as mages, and every boss fight was the same: throw everything I had, then keep running around a stone table (there was always one) while my magic recovered. It was kind of amazing how every boss just kept running in circles after me.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 14, 2018 22:08:21 GMT
Spirit Bomb - I wish I had more patience for western open-world RPGs, because Morrowind looks really nice and I should play it (the only wRPG I'm still looking forward to play right now is The Witcher 3, because that series is just something else). EDIT: Just one hilarious thing about Skyrim's combat. I mostly played as mages, and every boss fight was the same: throw everything I had, then keep running around a stone table (there was always one) while my magic recovered. It was kind of amazing how every boss just kept running in circles after me. Well if you want to play as a sellcaster, then you owe it to yourself to play Morrowind, because Morrowind is unquestionably the penultimate TeS game for spell casting. Through spell crafting and enchanting you can do just about anything; levitate, conjure up an army of daedra with just a single spell, turn yourself into a god, etc. Some have argued that magic in Morrowind is too OP and I speculate that this is why Bethesda nerfed it into oblivion (no pun intended) in the sequels. Whatever the case I personally believe that Morrowind was a dream come true for that style of play. As someone who mostly plays Oblivion, I still get pissed when I learn about countless spells that were possible in Morrowind but were removed in Oblivion. Regarding the combat, I hate to admit this but it's never really been that good. The swordplay in the first three games was often the most criticized aspect about them and while it did improve significantly by Oblivion, games like the N64 Zelda titles are much more satisfying in my experience, since the creatures/enemies in those N64 games actually react to every individual hit you deal to them, whereas even in Skyrim most of the time enemies will just soak up sword slashes, completely unfazed, which is neither satisfying, realistic, or adds any strategy to the swordplay. From what I hear the AI also hasn't evolved much since Morrowind. Those problems you listed like enemies chasing you around tables are also present in Oblivion. It's just one of the many lolzy trademark idiosyncrasies that the TeS series is known for. With that said, you should still definitely give Morrowind a try, especially if you're a fan of PC-optimized games with deep mechanics like System Shock 2 and the original Deus Ex. QUESTION: Outside of the Witcher games, what WRPGs do you enjoy playing or are a fan of? |
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Post by ModeratorNumber2 on Mar 5, 2019 9:07:03 GMT
Spirit Bomb wants to discuss this game again, or the Special Edition of it. No point in creating another thread.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 5, 2019 23:04:40 GMT
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Mar 5, 2019 23:55:04 GMT
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 6, 2019 1:45:01 GMT
There are no nude modes for it. It starts with your avatar getting beheaded in first person. |
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Mar 7, 2019 2:15:49 GMT
Spirit Bomb wants to discuss this game again, or the Special Edition of it. No point in creating another thread. Either create a new thread for the Special Edition of Skyrim or post someone else's suggestion. Don't keep us all waiting. That's just shitty of you, Balder. |
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