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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 28, 2018 20:37:42 GMT
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 29, 2018 0:59:45 GMT
Most of the stuff I post on those topics is because before I did half of my 11th grade, and then my whole 12th grade in Rhode Island, I studied in a Catholic School in Central America, where we had some very out there literature, history, and philosophy teachers that would teach us all these ancient stories. For example we learned about how the Incas thought some giants that came from what is known now as Panama where the responsibles for actually building Machu Picchu. Well, at least that's what the Incas said to the Spaniards when they came. So I'm definitely down to hearing more things like that again after all these years. Sometimes you hear some similar things in the news like the mummy they found in Nazca in 2017, but for the most part I miss hearing all those crazy stories from our ancestors. |
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 5, 2018 2:55:56 GMT
There's just way too much speculation what coule have happened. White people aren't inherently evil. I think any nation would have done something similar if they were in the position of power at that time. Slavery is older than the 15th century. While I appreciate your view on the matter, I don't think that's an acceptable reason for white people leaving Europe. You're basically saying that it's better that white man conquered the world rather than it getting conquered by another civilization or it not getting conquered at all and everyone keeping to themselves. It seems like you're trying to dodge the problem and deflect the blame by speculating what other groups could have done. I feel like you're afraid that if white people hadn't emigrated from Europe and conquered the planet, another race would have done the same thing to Europe? Is that what you think would've happened? |
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Sept 5, 2018 3:52:37 GMT
It seems like you're trying to dodge the problem and deflect the blame by speculating what other groups could have done. How can you ponder what the world would've been like if whites stayed in Europe, if you don't also speculate on what the rest of the world would be like? Do you think there would be no wars or atrocities? |
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Post by Balder on Sept 5, 2018 6:14:37 GMT
There's just way too much speculation what coule have happened. White people aren't inherently evil. I think any nation would have done something similar if they were in the position of power at that time. Slavery is older than the 15th century. While I appreciate your view on the matter, I don't think that's an acceptable reason for white people leaving Europe. You're basically saying that it's better that white man conquered the world rather than it getting conquered by another civilization or it not getting conquered at all and everyone keeping to themselves. It seems like you're trying to dodge the problem and deflect the blame by speculating what other groups could have done. I feel like you're afraid that if white people hadn't emigrated from Europe and conquered the planet, another race would have done the same thing to Europe? Is that what you think would've happened? Look at Japan dude. During the interwar period and WW2 they basically invaded and colonized most of the Pacific, and they did so in a very cruel way. It's the way things worked back in history. So don't go tell ne here than any other nation would do differently than Europe did. Is it bad? Definitely, but what can you do? It happened, now let's focus on evening the gap between old colonies and the colonizers. |
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Post by Cervantes on Sept 6, 2018 1:58:10 GMT
...Or the mongolian empire. Really, if any other powerful group expanded enough and reached the Americas/Australia/Other places, it would be an equally violent colonization, so it's better to work on (as Balder said) evening the gap than to keep demonizing any particular group. The lust for power is a human flaw, not a flaw of a particular group (color doesn't define if a group of people is inherently violent or not, thinking like that is a generalization based on prejudice and literally an expression of a racist thought). You shouldn't confuse "fighting to grant rights to groups without enough political representation, sometimes having to take away excessive and unfair privileges historically acquired by some groups" with "simplifying everything by demonizing a single group and pretending the world would be at eternal peace without it". But going back to the main question, I'm in the middle of a terrible heat wave in Brazil right now, so I wouldn't mind if I was in a cooler european country.  |
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centipede
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Post by centipede on Sept 7, 2018 8:55:35 GMT
I personally think we should have stayed at the sea. According to the Sumerians (the oldest civilization we have records of), when the so called Anunaki came all they found was a very messy planet, but somehow life was in the water, so they decided to lower it so some land masses would come to the surface, setup the atmosphere, made men in their image, brought the Moon from somewhere else, and a bunch of crazy sci-fi stuff. Surprisingly they had a very good understanding of our solar system. However according to them there was another planet between Mars and Jupiter. There is not a planet there, all we have there is the Asteroid Belt. So things they said weren't entirely accurate. Sure, it's quite reasonable to assume, that if Humanity has existed for millions of years, that this can't be the only time it's been so advanced. However, what i heard was that the asteroid belt is just leftover matter that didn't clump together and form one of the planets. |
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Post by stratogustav on Sept 7, 2018 11:33:09 GMT
Sure, it's quite reasonable to assume, that if Humanity has existed for millions of years, that this can't be the only time it's been so advanced. However, what i heard was that the asteroid belt is just leftover matter that didn't clump together and form one of the planets. Even if it was just thousands, that's still a long time for many things to happen. About the other planet, that's an interesting proposal about the Asteroid Belt. In that case the Sumerians would not be so off with their stories. Planets in our Solar System are relative close, but also very far from each other to perfectly allow something like that to be valid. I wonder what kind of war could take an entire planet off like that, or what kind of natural disaster, or how would a moon like Ceres survive that kind of impac to become a dwarf object in the Asteroid Belt like it is now. Another thing that would validate their stories are the Egyptian myths regarding Osiris who apparently came from some place in the constellation of Orion. They claim that when such divine dynasties existed, we had no issues travelling from sky places like Mars to here, and that towers similar to the ones described in Babel were some kind of launch pads to accomplish this, that functioned like some kind of airports where people with different languages would be forced to interact with each other. What is the most shockingly interesting to me is that Cairo, Egyp's current capital, which official name is al-Qahirah, literally means “Place or Camp of Mars". In a way that would explain why we see pyramids in Mars, or monoliths like the one in Phobos that Buzz Aldrin talks about here at the end: That would explain why data shows some kind of nuclear situation is what caused the atmosphere on Mars to dissapear. I was surprised to see that if you go to the official CIA goverment website they already made these kind of investigations. If you get this .pdf, from their site, it talks about how people there had no option, but to leave because the environment was no longer sustainable: www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001900760001-9 |
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Post by cobretti on Sept 7, 2018 13:06:53 GMT
But going back to the main question, I'm in the middle of a terrible heat wave in Brazil right now, so I wouldn't mind if I was in a cooler european country. I’m way north in the US and I wish I was some place cooler. Maybe the artic circle. |
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Post by Cervantes on Sept 7, 2018 15:19:17 GMT
That's some Lovecraft shit right there, nice. I'm seeing that this is from the time they were doing research with psychics (maybe LSD too), right? They give to the guy a bunch of martian coordinates and ask him to tell them what he sees (in Mars) through his magical eyes or something. |
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Post by stratogustav on Sept 7, 2018 15:47:07 GMT
That's some Lovecraft shit right there, nice. I'm seeing that this is from the time they were doing research with psychics (maybe LSD too), right? They give to the guy a bunch of martian coordinates and ask him to tell them what he sees (in Mars) through his magical eyes or something. Yeah, government intelligence agencies in U.S. use all available resources to investigate, and in the process they have officially confirmed many human abilities that were previously thought unnatural. Although it is only a very insignificant small percentage of the population that develop these abilities, like clairvoyance, and telepathy, it is always cool to know some people have done it. |
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Post by centipede on Sept 8, 2018 7:42:12 GMT
stratogustav Did you ever think some of these "sources" are just messing with you? I mean, for example, there was a conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney died and the Beatles replaced him with a lookalike, and also placed clues on their albums. If anything, The Beatles themselves were the ones behind the conspiracy theory, using the intrigue to sell more records to wannabe sleuths.
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Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 8, 2018 12:44:45 GMT
But going back to the main question, I'm in the middle of a terrible heat wave in Brazil right now, so I wouldn't mind if I was in a cooler european country. I’m way north in the US and I wish I was some place cooler. Maybe the artic circle. Do you believe climate change is real? |
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Post by stratogustav on Sept 8, 2018 23:30:26 GMT
stratogustav Did you ever think some of these "sources" are just messing with you? Do you mean the CIA website I gave you? Or the stories that come from Sumerian cuneiform of writing? Also what does The Beatles' inside joke has to do with the conversation? Is it because they are white? It sounds like you confuse a lot of things that are unrelated. You using the term conspiracy theory may be the problem. That term was introduced in the 1960s by the CIA to discredit any kind of questioning regarding the JFK assassination. Having the same term to cover different things unrelated to each other is incredibly backwards. Just because something sounds abnormal doesn't mean it is related at all to other abnormalities. Imagine that was the case, then someone can make up any stupid shit to discredit other things that are completely unrelated. Stories that our ancestors talked about on walls have nothing to do with conspiracy theories. They are just stories. Like I said, it doesn't mean they are real even if the content makes sense, or even if it sounds more advanced than what we previously thought for people that lived so many thousands of years ago. The Sumerians trying to mess with us, that's definitely a possibility. Sadly, we can't ask them because that culture disappeared thousands of years ago. |
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Post by centipede on Sept 9, 2018 2:46:27 GMT
stratogustav Agendas, my boy. My point is that people have agendas, and agendas come in many different forms and motivations. They can be political, monetary or for attention, which is sometimes followed by $$$ My theory, about the Beatles theory, is that they created the 'Paul is Dead' theory to manipulate the public into buying more of their stuff. Besides that, the sexual harassment claim against Julian Assange (Wikileaks) was clearly politically motivated because he leaked things not meant for the eyes of the public. False accusations are a good way to hurt peoples' credibility. Then, TJ Kirk became the 'Amazing Atheist' and began a crusade against religion because a priest molested him. Finally, Anita Sarkeesian, who said: "everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time." Why would you want to live like that all your life? You'd have to be either addicted to drama or...maybe her agenda is not about respect for women, but stirring people up for $$$! From a 'Tropes vs Women' that looks like it cost way less that what she received on Kickstarter (that money was mainly house bricks), to faking death threats, she's a con artist. I believe her main goal is to tap into a market of outrage. Dan Brown/Da Vinci Code author wrote a good story about an ancient conspiracy and marketed a good chunk of it as 'fact'. It sold a lot. James Cameron tried to jump on the bandwagon and claimed he found the secret tomb of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. In conclusion: sometimes, people are truthful, but sometimes, people are taking the piss out of you. The public likes to thinks it's woke, but it's still suspectible to the crap the media churns out, because sorting the wisdom from the bullshit is a too much work. You'l have to excuse me if I've become cynical in my older years.
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