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Post by Bogard on Nov 4, 2019 0:02:38 GMT
What if the dreamcast was left to live its full run. What would the games library look like for the system?. What games do you think would of made it to the Dreamcast in your opinion?.
Shenmu 3,4 and 5 Grand Theft Auto 3 Gran Theft Auto Vice City Shinobi 2002 Nightshade Yakuza 1 and 2 King of fighters 03 King of fighters 11 Samurai shodown 5/special Metal slug Anthology Knights into dreams 2 Sonic adventure 3 Resident evil 4 Power Stone 3 Panzer Dragoon Orta Jet set radio future Crazy Taxi 3 Gungrave
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Post by MeleeMonk on Nov 4, 2019 2:45:51 GMT
Sega Vs Capcom should have been a MUST. Capcom put both of their original Vs series on DC (MvC and SNKvC), and considering that Sega just like Capcom had a long history in the Arcade business, a crossover 2D fighter pitting both companies' best characters from their beat-em-up franchises (Streets of Rage & Golden Axe vs Final Fight) AND their fighters (Eternal Champions & Virtua Fighter vs Street Fighter, Darkstalkers, Rival Schools, etc.)...I mean, HOW COULD YOU GO WRONG WITH THAT??? Plus, that was when Capcom was at their top of their game as a developer. It would've been awesome. Nowadays I can't even stand to think about Capcom for what they've done with their franchises, so the dream is dead.
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Post by Bogard on Nov 4, 2019 9:33:33 GMT
Sega Vs Capcom should have been a MUST. Capcom put both of their original Vs series on DC (MvC and SNKvC), and considering that Sega just like Capcom had a long history in the Arcade business, a crossover 2D fighter pitting both companies' best characters from their beat-em-up franchises (Streets of Rage & Golden Axe vs Final Fight) AND their fighters (Eternal Champions & Virtua Fighter vs Street Fighter, Darkstalkers, Rival Schools, etc.)...I mean, HOW COULD YOU GO WRONG WITH THAT??? Plus, that was when Capcom was at their top of their game as a developer. It would've been awesome. Nowadays I can't even stand to think about Capcom for what they've done with their franchises, so the dream is dead. Great MeleeMaestro. Sega Vs Capcom would of been sweet. Would of loved to see Joe Musashi from shinobi go against Strider. And although we're finally getting streets of rage 4, it does belongs on the dreamcast. A full blown dedicated Golden axe game in the vane of Capcom's Dungions and dragons would of been So sweet. And Vitua fighter Vs Street fighter would of been awesome. I really liked Street fighter X Tekken and imagine Virtua fighter Vs Street Fighter would of been similar but better if done by Capcom back then. I too see capcom in the same lite as you. Capcom stopped being capcom to me when they decided to pull out from the arcade and drop franchises like Street Fighter, Strider and Rival Schools to concentrate on resident evil and Devil may Cry (not that those are bad games).
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Post by stratogustav on Nov 4, 2019 9:39:35 GMT
I made a similar thread about this long time ago, but about the Dreamcast 2. The conclusion was that the 360 was pretty much it, particularly all the Japanese exclusives, including all the shmups.
I have to say, it is nice to see someone else doing lists. I would add to that list:
- Beach Spikers - The House Of The Dead III - The House Of The Dead 4 - OutRun 2 - OutRun 2006 - Sega Rally 3 (maybe) - Shadow The Hedgehog - Sonic Heroes - Sonic Mega Collection Plus - Sonic Riders - Sonic Unleashed - Super Monkey Ball - Super Monkey Ball 2 - Thunder Force VI - Virtua Cop 3 - Virtua Fighter 4 - Virtua Fighter 5 - Virtua Striker 4 - Virtua Tennis 3
From Capcom:
- God Hand - Killer 7 - Ōkami - P.N.03 - Resident Evil Remake - Resident Evil Zero - Viewtiful Joe - Viewtiful Joe 2 - Viewtiful Joe Red Hot Rumble
From Konami:
- Bloody Roar 3 - Bloody Roar 4 - Castlevania Lament Of Innocence - Castlevania Curse Of Darkness - Contra Shattered Soldier - Gradius V - Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes - Neo Contra - Rumble Roses - Silent Hill 2 - Silent Hill 3 - Silent Hill 4 The Room - Zone Of The Enders - Zone Of The Enders The 2nd Runner
From SNK:
- The King Of Fighters 2004 - The King Of Fighters Neowave - The King Of Fighters 2006 - Metal Slug 6 - NeoGeo Battle Coliseum - Samurai Shodown VI
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Post by Bogard on Nov 4, 2019 12:49:50 GMT
Excellent list stratogustav. Would of love to see the vertua fighter sequels on he dreamcast as well as the house of the dead games. And I think Sonic heroes would of been way better if it was made in these situations.
The metal slug and King of fighters sequels are a definite.
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Post by Pimpjira on Nov 8, 2019 18:07:31 GMT
Soul Calibur got it's big start on Dreamcast so it probably would have gotten 2 and 3. Maybe some other Namco stuff as well like Klonoa 2, Tales of Symphonia, Pac-Man World 2/3, etc.
Capcom vs. Sega would have been really cool.
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Post by Pimpjira on Nov 8, 2019 18:11:14 GMT
In which case we likely would have gotten a Sega rep in SCII. Joe Musashi would have been a good fit. Assuming it was still multiplat, who knows maybe the SC series would have stayed a Dreamcast exclusive that gen. I don't remember how well it sold on Dreamcast, but given it's one of the cheaper DC games I would assume it did quite well.
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Post by Cervantes on Nov 20, 2019 0:46:57 GMT
There are a few developers that were huge supporters of the Dreamcast, so I guess most of the games they released through 2001-2005 would end up on the platform:
Sega themselves, Capcom SNK Tecmo Namco Most western PC developers (it was easier to make pc ports for the DC)
Who would be missing? Konami was firmly with Sony, as was Square. Namco had a few Sony exclusive franchises too, like Tekken and Ridge Racer.
What would be wildly different: looking at Resident Evil: Code Veronica, the first fully 3d RE game and a DC exclusive (so Capcom was willing to turn RE into a Dreamcast series), I think it's probable that RE4 would be a Dreamcast game. Imagine the impact that would make. Also, the Dreamcast already had a Half-life port almost ready, and it seems GTA3 begun its development on the DC, too. I can only imagine how that generation would've played out if the Dreamcast survived long enough to have any those games released.
Another important thing: Microsoft had a partnership with Sega, and only entered the console market because the Dreamcast failed. The Xbox would probably not exist; I think a LOT of its games would be on the Dreamcast, though not all of them (I don't know if Halo would even exist and if we would get a console port of Morrowind and a few other PC games, as the Dreamcast would be too underpowered to run them).
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Post by Bogard on Nov 20, 2019 1:50:51 GMT
There are a few developers that were huge supporters of the Dreamcast, so I guess most of the games they released through 2001-2005 would end up on the platform: Sega themselves, Capcom SNK Tecmo Namco Most western PC developers (it was easier to make pc ports for the DC) Who would be missing? Konami was firmly with Sony, as was Square. Namco had a few Sony exclusive franchises too, like Tekken and Ridge Racer. What would be wildly different: looking at Resident Evil: Code Veronica, the first fully 3d RE game and a DC exclusive (so Capcom was willing to turn RE into a Dreamcast series), I think it's probable that RE4 would be a Dreamcast game. Imagine the impact that would make. Also, the Dreamcast already had a Half-life port almost ready, and it seems GTA3 begun its development on the DC, too. I can only imagine how that generation would've played out if the Dreamcast survived long enough to have any those games released. Another important thing: Microsoft had a partnership with Sega, and only entered the console market because the Dreamcast failed. The Xbox would probably not exist; I think a LOT of its games would be on the Dreamcast, though not all of them (I don't know if Halo would even exist and if we would get a console port of Morrowind and a few other PC games, as the Dreamcast would be too underpowered to run them). It certainly would of been interesting to see how things would of turned out. I also heard that GTA 3 was originally being developed for the Dreamcast, but it would of most likely come on multiple disks like Shenmue did where as the ps2 had no problem with holding the entire game and more on one DVD. Dreamcast certainly couldn't handle most of the games that came after for the other consoles of that generation whether it be reasons of being graphical or disk space. i can't see the Dreamcast running Resident evil 4 without it being built from the bottom up for the console and it end up looking no different to Code Veronica. I think the Dreamcast would of ended up like the Wii by aiming for it's own audience and getting exclusive games in house and third party and being its own thing away from the other consoles.
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Post by Balder on Mar 27, 2020 18:47:41 GMT
Not to derail this thread, but today I sold my two broken DreamCasts. I didn't want to make a dedicated thread, but these things were not built to last. I bought both of these in working order, but they both arrived broken. No visible damages from the shipping, but one has decided not to read discs and not recognize any controllers, and the other has color glitches. I've always wanted one ever since CGR reviewed it, but these have only pained me ever since I got them. I'm glad to have freed some room now for more games for consoles I care more for like the Saturn, Neo-Geo MVS and Atari 2600.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 27, 2020 19:26:29 GMT
Those are great systems you have, but a Dreamcast would definitely have been nice next to those, it sucks you got two broken ones.
Just like with the Saturn many of the best Dreamcast titles are Japanese exclusive, and those may be cheaper to collect.
What sucks about not having a Dreamcast is that the ports of titles on other systems are never as good as the original Dreamcast version. They are usually fine, but the Dreamcast versions are always superior.
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Post by Balder on Mar 28, 2020 1:19:23 GMT
Those are great systems you have, but a Dreamcast would definitely have been nice next to those, it sucks you got two broken ones. Just like with the Saturn many of the best Dreamcast titles are Japanese exclusive, and those may be cheaper to collect. What sucks about not having a Dreamcast is that the ports of titles on other systems are never as good as the original Dreamcast version. They are usually fine, but the Dreamcast versions are always superior. Yes, I'd love to play me some Ikaruga on the original hardware and all, but it's not going to happen. I even have Shenmue, which I'll probably resell just to get the money I spent on it back. I still have DonPachi and Strikers 1945 on the Saturn though, which are among the best schmups I ever played.
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Post by Bogard on Mar 28, 2020 1:29:38 GMT
That's really odd, dude. I always thought Dreamcast was better built that the original big model of the Ps2 and OG Xbox. I have two Dreamcasts which I bought around 2003/2004 and they still work.
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Post by Bogard on Mar 28, 2020 1:46:00 GMT
Those are great systems you have, but a Dreamcast would definitely have been nice next to those, it sucks you got two broken ones. Just like with the Saturn many of the best Dreamcast titles are Japanese exclusive, and those may be cheaper to collect. What sucks about not having a Dreamcast is that the ports of titles on other systems are never as good as the original Dreamcast version. They are usually fine, but the Dreamcast versions are always superior. Yeah Dreamcast ports were excellent and a lot were even better than the Arcade original such as KoF 99 which had extra unlockable characters and stuff and probably the best 3D backgrounds in any 2D fighter ever. Gunbird 2 which had two extra characters that wasn't included in the Arcade including Moriggan form Dark Stalkers. Street Fighter Alpha 3 had so many characters that wasn't available in the Arcade Original and I think Cannon Spike also had characters that wasn't available in the Arcade version. The only bad port was KoF 99 Dreammatch (Kof 98). The controls were terrible in that game to the point where you were fighting against the controls more than you were the opponent. And also the US release of Fatal Fury Mark of the Wolves which was a great port but the company that localised it decided to have the voices read directly off the CD so through the entire game you would hear the laser of the console go nuts. I remember back in the day I was playing it late at night and my dad had to come into my room and tell me to switch the console off because he couldn't sleep from the noise of the laser. So if you're going to get the game for your Dreamcast, get the Japanese version. Some one told me that the US release of Last blade 2 also has the same problem. but other sources disagreed with that.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 28, 2020 7:27:25 GMT
Yes, I'd love to play me some Ikaruga on the original hardware and all, but it's not going to happen. I even have Shenmue, which I'll probably resell just to get the money I spent on it back. I still have DonPachi and Strikers 1945 on the Saturn though, which are among the best schmups I ever played. That's really sad to hear, but I understand. At least you have the Saturn, and that one has a lot of good stuff, like the ones you mentioned.
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