Cervantes
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Post by Cervantes on Feb 3, 2016 14:15:23 GMT
But guys, it's expensive to land an entire space arcade, hence the 15k. It's normal that the numbers drop after the payment day, as some payments don't go through for various reasons and some people only meant to contribute once instead of every month. About the trip to Truxton, I'm sure it's just an incentive - the 15k would certainly allow Mark to do crazy stuff like this more constantly, maybe go to a few events like the E3.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Feb 3, 2016 14:43:26 GMT
Yup, I think it is pretty normal after the goals are hit to see a bit of a drop per patron. People who in the first months had thought "I'll donate $5 extra to help Mark meet his goal" are scaling back a bit because the goal has been met, and other people can pick up the slack with smaller donations.
Things like the Truxton trip are fun incentives, but the point of having more funding is likely to build up bank for the business so Mark doesn't have to be as concerned about the business month to month. I imagine it is already a load off his mind that the business is only supporting him and his family, rather than all the other employees.
That said, I'm sure that if the Truxton goal was met and Mark did all those things, he'd probably replace it with a new $15k/month incentive. He doesn't seem like the kind of person to rest on his laurels.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 3, 2016 17:20:17 GMT
I can only imagine what a load off the chest getting a 10k a month salary off game reviews rather than scrounging about for ad sense money is doing for him. Good for Mark, he deserves it.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Feb 3, 2016 17:22:04 GMT
Now that the first month of Patreon backing has been charged off our bank accounts... Anyone else notice how despite the number of patrons going up, the amount pledged never seems to go beyond 11K, and in fact drops almost as soon as it nears it? (Actually, notice also the number of backers dropping from 1400+ to the 1300s again...) - It seems I'm not the only one who thinks that a monthly 15K for just one trip to Truxton is a bit asking... with a significant number of patrons figuring that just keeping it at 10K for normal operations should be (more than?) enough... and withdrawing just as much as will keep the full weekly video productions afloat... Judging by Karnage's slightly somber tone in the last update ('expecting some ups & downs...'), he's noticing it too... But, if the incentive were to change however... i.e By bringing back the site ( + shop), maybe even Magnum Skywolf... Then maybe... Just maybe there would be a cause to push it up again for... I could do a day trip to Truxton for way less than 15k. Hell, just give me some gas money, dinner, and a night at a motel and I'll play Truxton in Truxton for you. Sure thing cobretti, just make awesome and funny videos 3 times a week and I'll gladly pay for your fuel.
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cobretti
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Post by cobretti on Feb 3, 2016 21:11:03 GMT
I could do a day trip to Truxton for way less than 15k. Hell, just give me some gas money, dinner, and a night at a motel and I'll play Truxton in Truxton for you. Sure thing cobretti, just make awesome and funny videos 3 times a week and I'll gladly pay for your fuel. Sounds like a deal!
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Feb 4, 2016 6:16:26 GMT
Sure thing cobretti, just make awesome and funny videos 3 times a week and I'll gladly pay for your fuel. Sounds like a deal! Can't wait.
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Post by spidershinobi on Feb 4, 2016 22:19:05 GMT
Mark is a relaxed guy. Even when distressed he's still calm. But I think he could have a different attitude sometimes... Like, he could show up in other people's shows to get a bit of exposition, you know? Having some time out of a comfort zone, exchanging exposition with other guys looking to expand their fanbases... I think it would be cool if he got to crossoover with someone like alphaomegasin, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 14:58:47 GMT
Mark is a relaxed guy. Even when distressed he's still calm. But I think he could have a different attitude sometimes... Like, he could show up in other people's shows to get a bit of exposition, you know? Having some time out of a comfort zone, exchanging exposition with other guys looking to expand their fanbases... I think it would be cool if he got to crossoover with someone like alphaomegasin, for example. I saw some rant he did awhile back and I think AlphaOmegaSin is a little too high strung for Mark. Happy Console Gamer's positive vibe might be a better fit, and a panel/roundtable-style collaboration with others would be best.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 5, 2016 15:49:54 GMT
Mark is a relaxed guy. Even when distressed he's still calm. But I think he could have a different attitude sometimes... Like, he could show up in other people's shows to get a bit of exposition, you know? Having some time out of a comfort zone, exchanging exposition with other guys looking to expand their fanbases... I think it would be cool if he got to crossoover with someone like alphaomegasin, for example. I saw some rant he did awhile back and I think AlphaOmegaSin is a little too high strung for Mark. Happy Console Gamer's positive vibe might be a better fit, and a panel/roundtable-style collaboration with others would be best. I agree, in spite of them both being from Pittsburgh and Mark shouting him out, their styles don't mesh particularly well but who would've guessed Mark and Derek would make such a good pair? Also keep in mind that SS Shinobi was only using AOS as an example and that the idea was the central point. If I had some in mind? I don't know, him and Metal Jesus seem to get along nicely and it would be cool to hear him and ReviewtechUSA do something together in spite of both Rich and MJR having their own questionable traits. HappyConsoleGamer is a little too upbeat and lacks the same degree of polish that Mark shows in his videos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 16:14:01 GMT
teddykongcountry: agreed on Metal Jesus-- he was the one I was trying to remember but couldn't. But if AOS can be obnoxious, Reviewtech is downright toxic with their attitude, negativity and lack of humour-- the exact opposite of Mark. Sorry, but I can't stand that guy Rich. P.S. I like Derek and don't know why so many Youtube commenters felt the need to badmouth him. Must've been the voice.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 5, 2016 17:02:57 GMT
@player1 - you might be surprised to know that Rich has spoken very highly of Mark and created videos supporting CGR both during their Youtube blackout and more recently when Mark announced they were shutting down. As much as I don't agree with many of the stances perpetuated on ReviewTechUSA, it would be interesting to hear the two converse given their differing fields. He's a lot more eloquent than AOS as well.
With regard to Derek getting a lot of negative attention in the past, a lot of it was unwarranted i.e. always being compared to Mark or bashed because he's young, has a high voice or long hair. However, for as much as I like Derek as a person and even admire his video making/conceptualization (although that can be attributed to Brandon as well), his skills as a game reviewer were questionable. It was obvious in quite a handful of reviews that Derek either only played a portion of the game or did not give it a fair chance before uploading his review. There are so many examples from Skyward Sword to Star Fox Assault and even Puzzles and Dragons where Derek was posting impressions and he is not the only Undertow reviewer guilty of this trend. The problem with this is that even though that model of rushed reviews and gameplay is what helped Undertow and CGR stay afloat via the ad model, it also results in people who are actively seeking a genuine opinion on the game to get a skewed perspective. But hey, at least they keep the comments section alive for the potential buyer to get second opinions.
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Post by spidershinobi on Feb 5, 2016 22:01:05 GMT
Guys! You don't know how content I am for something very random for you guys, but something that had been bugging me for a while. I remember Rich once said he ended up never posting in the old CGR site, and that was around the same time as @player1 hadn't been posting for a while. Now, I have said that a couple of times back there, I just don't like Rich's deal, and maybe due to the way player1 writes I got this fear in my head that maybe they were the same person; that annoyed me because I would always remember my occasional RTU badmouthing and I don't really want anyone to feel bad for anything, so I was always cautious of player1. For nothing, as I see now. teddykongcountry I was done with Rich when he said Capcom would be over in a couple of years (over 2 years ago). Regardless of how people felt about Capcom after the SFxT fiasco, at the same time that their reserves were revealed they had been showing a lot of steam and their engines were overclocking... As a mere consumer it was obvious they blew a lot of money producing Resident Evil sequels, Monster Hunter games and add ons to Street Fighter 4, not to mention the numerous ports they had going for Ps3/360. What I'm getting at is that it was a journalist trap, and he fell hard in it because not only is Capcom doing well, they ended up being one of the more consumer-loving publishers of these last years. Now, as for game reviewing, I've gotta say that in a perfect world - a world in which games wouldn't lose relevance by the day - you would be that guy who everyone would look for to get information on games. CGRUndertow had that issue in which the reviewers had to rush through games to get reviews done in time (like many big corporations), and that sucks. But what I'd like to get to is that I think you have enough property (more than most people, at least) to critique the fact, because of the reviews you posted that I watched it was pretty obvious you had spent enough time with any X game so you could shoot a sensible and conscious review/impression. So, great work, man! (yes, it was just encouragement, not really adding anything to the patreon discussion)
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Post by Balder on Feb 6, 2016 0:45:40 GMT
I think it would be interesting to see Rich coming on the podcast. And of course Derek should come, that's just given. As for AOS, I haven't watched him so I don't know his style. And of course MetalJesus, he has the same style when it comes to positivity in gaming.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 6, 2016 4:32:39 GMT
Now, as for game reviewing, I've gotta say that in a perfect world - a world in which games wouldn't lose relevance by the day - you would be that guy who everyone would look for to get information on games. CGRUndertow had that issue in which the reviewers had to rush through games to get reviews done in time (like many big corporations), and that sucks. But what I'd like to get to is that I think you have enough property (more than most people, at least) to critique the fact, because of the reviews you posted that I watched it was pretty obvious you had spent enough time with any X game so you could shoot a sensible and conscious review/impression. So, great work, man! (yes, it was just encouragement, not really adding anything to the patreon discussion)Now THAT may just be the best compliment I've ever received; I'll have to add it to my personal catalogue of "best feedback." Having created the intellectual review property I have over the past two years, I do like to think I am qualified to discern when someone is abiding by the unwritten rules of "journalistic integrity" as I like to think of it. It must not be a perfect world for either Undertow or me as neither of our channels have established a sustainable future as standalone products however, as you stated, the corporate model does have the potential to skew perspectives hence why I strive to prioritize video content quality over any sort of monetary incentive. Seriously, thank you so much not just for enjoying my content but the encouragement as I thrive off of the appreciation (and beer!). We have drifted topics a bit but that's alright, what else are forums for? So let me add that not only do I disagree with Rich 90% of the time on what he says but something tells me that if he were to go into a podcast with Mark, he would go all fanboy on us and that could be fun to witness. I knew him and player1 weren't one and the same because a. player1 is Nintendo enthusiast number 1 and b. he used to argue with the forum fanatic Truxton4life on the old site who is more inclined to fall on the controversial side of things. For that matter, I'd like to see Mark do podcast videos with his top patrons (not that I'll get to see them until I back the Patreon choice withstanding).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 20:46:23 GMT
No, I'm definitely not Rich. I like collecting and playing video games, but I don't get visibly FURIOUS about them or the companies that produced them the way he seems to. In other words, I feel that I can offer a rational critique of something (including Nintendo's mistakes) without becoming so emotionally invested in it because (surprise!) *it's just a fun little hobby* and is, in the grand scheme of things, not terribly important. He just comes off as everything that's wrong with many modern players-- the overwhelming negativity, cynicism and potty-mouth attitude that I just never witnessed when people were playing stuff like Commodore 64, Atari, NES, Master System, etc.. I'm starting to believe that the 'console wars' and heated debates really began with the SNES/Genesis rivalry and culminated with the advent of online connectivity-- and the anonymity it offers to people who want to act like ignorant/racist/mysogynist a*holes. I saw a lot of those people when I did 360 support.
Just so people don't think I'm a totally blind fanboy of the N, I'll say this again: I think their decision not to include an AC adapter with the new 3DS is cheap, stupid and a bad move for consumers who want it (like me). But that still doesn't compare relatively speaking to the nefarious plans MS had with their DRM control on the Xbone-- plans that Sony was also considering and apparently, being already built in to the architecture, can be turned "off" or "on" at the company's whim...
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