scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 7, 2021 1:09:55 GMT
 At what part?. Look, They're all great in terms of nostalgia. But 80's cartoons in side by side comparisons with later incarnations such as TMNT 2003 and Batman Beyond just don't hold up. The only one I still really appreciate is Thundercats because the characters and concept is soo cool and each episode is a continuation of the previous episode unlike a lot of the cartoons of that era. I still think other cartoons such as Dungeons and Dragons and Peter Pan and the Pirates still hold up incredibly well but going back to the mainstream cartoons like TMNT, He-Man and Transformers, I find there's better later alternatives that hold up much better.  |
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centipede
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Post by centipede on Jul 8, 2021 6:14:39 GMT
At what part?. Look, They're all great in terms of nostalgia. But 80's cartoons in side by side comparisons with later incarnations such as TMNT 2003 and Batman Beyond just don't hold up. The only one I still really appreciate is Thundercats because the characters and concept is soo cool and each episode is a continuation of the previous episode unlike a lot of the cartoons of that era. I still think other cartoons such as Dungeons and Dragons and Peter Pan and the Pirates still hold up incredibly well but going back to the mainstream cartoons like TMNT, He-Man and Transformers, I find there's better later alternatives that hold up much better. I think you just insulted his favourite cartoon. |
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 8, 2021 10:08:30 GMT
At what part?. Look, They're all great in terms of nostalgia. But 80's cartoons in side by side comparisons with later incarnations such as TMNT 2003 and Batman Beyond just don't hold up. The only one I still really appreciate is Thundercats because the characters and concept is soo cool and each episode is a continuation of the previous episode unlike a lot of the cartoons of that era. I still think other cartoons such as Dungeons and Dragons and Peter Pan and the Pirates still hold up incredibly well but going back to the mainstream cartoons like TMNT, He-Man and Transformers, I find there's better later alternatives that hold up much better. I think you just insulted his favourite cartoon. A sin of omission. |
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Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Jul 8, 2021 21:31:17 GMT
You don't have to explain this to me. Anyone who has been following american animation already knows this. Korea has been animating the bulk of america's shows (and many of their films) for many decades now. What I meant is that american animators are NOT the ones doing ANY of the drawing here. The character designs for shows like these are either drawn by graphic designers or comic book artists. Another good example is Spawn The Animated series, a series I finished last year which was designed by american comic book artists (i.e. Todd McFarlane) but animated entirely in Korea. All these 80s shows like G.I. Joe, Thundercats, and He-Man were the same way. Same with many of the films from that time like Starchaser The Legend of Orin, and all of Ranklin Bass' works like The Hobbit, LOTR: ROTK, etc. Korean artists are AWESOMELY talented people and have been saving america's lazy ass for too long by this point. American animators by comparison are the most talentless, arrogant, embarrassing, laziest, overpaid pieces of trash you will ever meet. And as someone who's IRL brother has a degree in animation, I can confirm this.  I've already discussed american animators like Skylar Paige, John K., Genndy Tartokovsky, Chris Savino, and Butch Hartman at length, so there's not anything more I'm going to say about those jokers at this moment. I think Asians are just more dedicated to their craft as a cultural standard. But western animators have done some amazing stuff to such as the Don Bluth stuff and obviously Disney. it's just a shame that the west has completely given up the art of hand drawn animation for the computer generated stuff. Although I love movies such as Toy Story, but I think I would of enjoyed stuff like The Incredibles if it were hand drawn. Just to clarify, in my previous post I was strictly referring to silver screen american animators. There are many modern big screen (i.e. Disney, etc.) american animators who are hugely talented dudes, like Hal Ambro, Eric Goldberg, Glen Keane, and Sergio Pablo, although TBH I haven't been keeping up with the american animation scene for over a decade and all of these guys I mentioned are middle-aged or older by now. In fact, I know for sure that at least one of them (Glen Keane) is retired, so I'm not sure if any of them are relevant anymore. Once the american animation transitioned to 3D my interest in it totally faded away. The 3D films that replaced them were almost strictly expressionistic in style and the industry became even more bureaucratic than before, so I just said "fuck it", gave up interest, and left. TBH, looking back, I don't mind having lost interest in animation, since art was never really my passion to begin with, but I do think it's a shame that crappy studios like Dreamworks, Illumination and the omnipresent Disney ended up ultimately totally taking over the industry by the 2010s. Some obscure american projects in the 90s and early 2000s like Titan A.E. showed real promise and I liked the semi-realistic animation it had. It could even be really violent at times, and I like that kind of edgy stuff. EDIT: Man, I really got sidetracked here. My whole point here was just to explain my intense hatred of TV animators of america, and show the difference between made-for-TV clowns like Seth Mcfartlane and the big-screen american artists like Eric Goldberg and Glen Keane. |
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Bogard
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Post by Bogard on Jul 8, 2021 22:15:05 GMT
I think Asians are just more dedicated to their craft as a cultural standard. But western animators have done some amazing stuff to such as the Don Bluth stuff and obviously Disney. it's just a shame that the west has completely given up the art of hand drawn animation for the computer generated stuff. Although I love movies such as Toy Story, but I think I would of enjoyed stuff like The Incredibles if it were hand drawn. Just to clarify, in my previous post I was strictly referring to silver screen american animators. There are many modern big screen (i.e. Disney, etc.) american animators who are hugely talented dudes, like Hal Ambro, Eric Goldberg, Glen Keane, and Sergio Pablo, although TBH I haven't been keeping up with the american animation scene for over a decade and all of these guys I mentioned are middle-aged or older by now. In fact, I know for sure that at least one of them (Glen Keane) is retired, so I'm not sure if any of them are relevant anymore. Once american animation transitioned to 3D my interest in it totally faded away. The 3D films that replaced them were almost strictly expressionistic in style and the industry became even more beaurocratic than before so I just said "fuck it, gave up interest, and left. I agree. I was a huge Disney fan back in the day even with the direct to video releases such as The Lion King 2 I enjoyed immensely. But with the computer generated stuff I felt the movies lost soul with every new release. i still don't get why movies like The Incredibles and Frozen were ever so popular. |
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Dlotn
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Post by Dlotn on Jul 10, 2021 12:43:41 GMT
Just to clarify, in my previous post I was strictly referring to silver screen american animators. There are many modern big screen (i.e. Disney, etc.) american animators who are hugely talented dudes, like Hal Ambro, Eric Goldberg, Glen Keane, and Sergio Pablo, although TBH I haven't been keeping up with the american animation scene for over a decade and all of these guys I mentioned are middle-aged or older by now. In fact, I know for sure that at least one of them (Glen Keane) is retired, so I'm not sure if any of them are relevant anymore. Once american animation transitioned to 3D my interest in it totally faded away. The 3D films that replaced them were almost strictly expressionistic in style and the industry became even more beaurocratic than before so I just said "fuck it, gave up interest, and left. I agree. I was a huge Disney fan back in the day even with the direct to video releases such as The Lion King 2 I enjoyed immensely. But with the computer generated stuff I felt the movies lost soul with every new release. i still don't get why movies like The Incredibles and Frozen were ever so popular. 100% agree. I am so tired of the plain 3d animation that everyone uses now... |
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At what part?. Look, They're all great in terms of nostalgia. But 80's cartoons in side by side comparisons with later incarnations such as TMNT 2003 and Batman Beyond just don't hold up. The only one I still really appreciate is Thundercats because the characters and concept is soo cool and each episode is a continuation of the previous episode unlike a lot of the cartoons of that era.
I've already discussed american animators like Skylar Paige, John K., Genndy Tartokovsky, Chris Savino, and Butch Hartman at length, so there's not anything more I'm going to say about those jokers at this moment. 
