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Post by teddykongcountry on Sept 18, 2016 19:05:12 GMT
Entries are video submission only but I still wanted to extend the invitation to my pub mates:
Even if nobody from the pub enters, I figure the question would make a good topic for discussion round these here parts:
Is there a market for turn-based RPGs outside of Japan?
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Post by stratogustav on Sept 18, 2016 22:55:51 GMT
It definitely is. RPG is a money grabber everywhere in the world. There are players that only play RPG exclusively. I would say the U.S. is a massive market for sure, but so is the rest of the world.
Popularized by Square, RPG is not an exclusive genre to them anymore. They are not on their own now as other devs and publishers are on par in terms of reception and fame.
We are heading for a new wave of RPG generation with titles like Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3, and NieR Automata, where the combat is more approachable to even more people. So this genre will only grow more and more. The excitement behind the Final Fantasy VII Remake announcement is proof of that.
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Post by lilchillbil on Sept 20, 2016 3:25:31 GMT
I bought a vita
sighs in oled*
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Post by spidershinobi on Sept 20, 2016 15:48:59 GMT
Nice that you're doing a giveaway! But are you monetizing that video? I really think you should.
I think that the answer is an easy "Yes", but of course the reasons for that easy answer aren't super clear just by saying "yes". The thing with RPGs in general is that there will always be people all over the world looking forward to them, but the core of the games are rarely a factor. If you were to develop an RPG with the main intent of making a great game, and manage to do so, there still NO market for you anywhere in the world. The key to RPGs is unfortunately that being good isn't directly related to selling, so you rely on branding and marketing far, far more than the actual quality of the product to sell.
I'd say that the part of the videogame industry dealing with RPGs has got to be the most toxic one; because of examples such as SHMUPs and FPS: SHMUP publishers and developers rely a lot on "otaku culture" to sell, but fortunately most of the games are good; FPS publishers rely a lot on hype and generally a lack of depth in gameplay, but the core gameplay of Call of Duty (just one among many) is great. I can't say the same for RPGs, very few that I have seen or played are actually good, and almost every one of them rely on either branding or heavy marketing (or both) to sell.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Oct 9, 2016 2:18:44 GMT
Thanks for the advice spidershinobi! Wish I'd considered it sooner but it's really just a difference of pocket change so no biggie As per my own opinion, I'm happy to divulge it what with the Kongtest drawing to a close: In the modern day Western world, turn based RPGs have been shoved into a corner in favor of more action-driven games and mindless phone games that conform to the perception of Western tastes. From this comes the deceptively obvious conclusion: turn-based RPGs have little to no place in the Western world. However, take into account this is the narrative the corporate giants want you to believe all in favor of going where the almighty dollar trail is. As my friend spider here brings up, you can't just have a great game and expect it to sell: market it and buyers will flock. This does not necessarily mean market in the traditional sense of running advertisements on television or on the web but moreso in the areas relevant to the prospective demographic. Sonic the Hedgehog has recently retained relevance because a. it is marketed on Cartoon Network via Sonic Boom b. Youtubers give the name tons of publicity whether good or bad c. the Twitter account and Youtube account have been posting outrageous, humorous content and d. cross platform availability. True, Sonic is no RPG (except for that one game on the DS) but it does serve as a model for what RPGs can do to retain a place in the public spotlight. One thing Atlus has done that is similar (curiously, they are now a subsidiary of SEGA) to invoke their audience is host giveaways on social media, run Twitch streams with likable persons and, much in the vein of SEGA with Sonic, establish clout to their name within the entire genre of RPGs. By establishing customer loyalty via good relations and consistent products, companies like Atlus can very much develop an ever-strengthening guarantee on a return investment from what they put out. It's also worth taking a moment to shine light on the term "consistent" because to earn the public's trust funds, the company has to invest into more than new projects, they need to invest in new ideas and ones that capitalize on modern wares. Square did this twice with my beloved Dragon Quest only a matter of years ago, one to high success with Dragon Quest IX and another to shameful sales with Dragon Quest Swords. Both are great games no doubt but the point is that there has to be a reason people are talking about the new game that came out because of what it added to the formula (i.e. did you hear the new CoD has a nazi zombies mode? Ohmagerd, day 1 purchase!!!). The wild card here is the new generation and whether they will find solace in playing turn based RPGs when they are conditioned to play online multiplayer FPS and sports titles but perhaps those are two tastes that the genre needs to find a way to accommodate. I worked at an elementary school for a while and I was in disbelief at how many kids knew and played the new Pokemon and though it's always been a stretch likening Pokemon to turn-based RPGs, that series has to be one of the torch carriers for the genre in terms of captivating an audience and building consumer trust. A question now is how do we tap turn-based RPGs into our modern population's consciousness in order to create even a sizable fraction of the impact that Pokemon has had? How about is it even healthy for the genre to always be analogous to Pokemon figures? I love this topic because it paves the way to many different discourses.
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Post by Balder on Oct 9, 2016 9:39:26 GMT
Why is it so that the Japanese market is so important? I know they're influential, but they don't make up a lot of the world market.
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Post by dschult3 on Oct 9, 2016 15:59:45 GMT
I still play my old turn based Panzer General II which came out in 95-ish? If a turn based game is good, people will play it.
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 9, 2016 21:36:31 GMT
I think a game as good as Front Mission 3 could reignite interest into the genre.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Oct 10, 2016 0:55:49 GMT
I think a game as good as Front Mission 3 could reignite interest into the genre. 4 was great. I only wish 5 got released in the States. Let's not talk about Evolved.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Oct 10, 2016 14:26:58 GMT
Ah, don't forget Ring of Red too!
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 10, 2016 19:33:31 GMT
Why is it so that the Japanese market is so important? I know they're influential, but they don't make up a lot of the world market. Us filthy westerners can only play pew pew shooterz!!1!
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 10, 2016 19:35:29 GMT
I think a game as good as Front Mission 3 could reignite interest into the genre. 4 was great. I only wish 5 got released in the States. Let's not talk about Evolved. I haven't even finished Front Mission 3, game sucked my life for a month, and it just doesn't end! 4 looks great, but it seems like it doesn't have the infamous ' ! ' reactions!
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Post by Balder on Oct 10, 2016 19:47:51 GMT
Why is it so that the Japanese market is so important? I know they're influential, but they don't make up a lot of the world market. Us filthy westerners can only play pew pew shooterz!!1! How did that answer my question?
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Post by Balder on Oct 10, 2016 19:49:22 GMT
Us filthy westerners can only play pew pew shooterz!!1! How did this answer my question?
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 10, 2016 21:04:48 GMT
Us filthy westerners can only play pew pew shooterz!!1! How did that answer my question? It wasn't meant as an answer.
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