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Post by stratogustav on May 23, 2017 5:29:56 GMT
..., which one would it be?
For me:
2nd gen:
- Atari 2600
I feel Laser Gaters and Yar's Revenge are enough reason.
3rd gen:
- NES
I was about to say the MSX, but when you think of Super Mario Bros., Ninja Gaiden, Mega Man, it's hard to deny to the NES its existence.
4th gen:
- SNES
The Genesis was special indeed. However for pure nostalgic reasons the SNES wins me over. Plus I can't imagine playing Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct with 3 buttons.
5th gen:
- N64
The PS1 would definitely win if I was into RPGs, but it turns out I'm not. Also the PS1 has more and better fighting games and shmups than the N64. But in my opinion it is the only console with terrible aging. The N64 titles do look a lot more timeless, and I can't deny the N64 is the console I gave more gaming time than any other console in my whole life reaching expertise in more than a handful of games such as F-Zero X, Super International Star Soccer, 1080 Snowboarding, GoldenEye, Rogue Squadron, etc..
6th gen:
- PS2
It's definitely the most competitive gen. The GameCube itself having F-Zero GX, Double Dash, Toadstool Tour, Melee, Metroid Prime, the Mario Party games, Luigi's Mansion, Sunshine, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, it is just too much, then the Dreamcast with Ikagura, Mars Matrix, Giga Wing 1 & 2, Zero Gunner 2, Cannon Spike, Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Crazy Taxy, Daytona USA, Sega Rally 3, Border Down, Bangai-O, Under Defeat, it makes it very hard to choose. I still choose the PS2 for all the Konami and SNK titles as those are with no doubt my favorite games of all time.
7th gen:
- PS3
To be fair the winner should be the 360 for all the shmups. However I can't deny that this is a compilation machine for me where I collected a lot of classic games including PS1 titles, PS2 titles, Genesis titles, Neo Geo titles, Capcom arcade titles, classic arcade titles, Dreamcast Remasters, motion games, licensed pinball tables, and so many more. With all the fighters the console pretty much gave me the Taito Arcade center or Sega Arcade center experience in one single console.
8th gen:
- Wii U
Just like the N64 it is a very tight library, but full of amazing titles, no many games can really compete with Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3D World, New Super Luigi U, New Super Mario U, Dr. Luigi, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, it even made me like Super Smash Bros.., Captain Toad, both NES Remix, Hyrule Warriors is the best Dynasty Warriors I ever played, Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed, I did like B titles like Star Fox Zero, Yoshi's Wooly World, Color Splash, Wii Party U, Game & Warrio, and Wii Sports Club, not to mention the awesomeness of Super Mario Maker.
I love my PS4, but nothing brings the completionist kid part of me more than Nintendo titles, and as much as I enjoy my PS4, it is the Wii U the one that gives me that gaming happy feeling. On top of that it gave me Breath Of The Wild, other than a new F-Zero, it couldn't deliver more. My NES, SNES, and N64, collections in there are pretty cool too. I'm only missing a N64 controller for it and I would be set.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2017 6:21:29 GMT
1st gen: The Odyssey I guess? I haven't played it, but it sure looks fun.
2nd gen: Atari 2600 of course!
3rd gen: I have only played NES clones and the Sega Master System, but I know the NES is better, so I guess I'm going to give it to the NES.
4th gen: I'm going to say Genesis for now, but once my Neo-Geo games arrive who knows.
5th gen: PS1. It's a close match with the Sega Saturn but the PS1 has better games overall.
6th gen: Xbox, see my reasoning in the Xbox thread we had a while ago.
7th gen: Xbox 360, best exclusives (for me) and best multiplats as well (for the most part).
8th gen: Xbox One I guess. Neither consoles have got killer apps and the WiiU is a piece of shit.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on May 23, 2017 7:25:37 GMT
Imma only comment on the gens I'm familiar with (3rd + onwards):
3rd: NES, since I live in the US and the Master System was so horribly represented in this country (they're so scarce here that I've never even seen one IRL), despite it being a (seemingly) interesting console.
4th: Genesis, without a doubt in my mind. For me, the Genesis does absolutely EVERYTHING better than the SNES, and has many of my favorite games of all time (like Sonic 3 & SoR 3). I even prefer its soundchip over the SNES's.
5th gen: N64. Although the Saturn is certainly a great choice and the PS1 ain't too shabby either, I simply can't live without classics like Smash 64, OoT and Majora's Mask, whereas I am able to get by without a Saturn. PS1 is probably my least favorite of the bunch but it is still an excellent console with many awesome exclusives, like Tekken 3 for example, as well as a MASSIVE game library (the largest library of any console, if I'm not mistaken).
6th gen: This is definitely the most difficult choice for me, since I absolutely LOVE both the Gamecube and Original Xbox, and I would hate being without my PS2 for its many great exclusives. Ultimately, I'm going with Gamecube simply because of Melee, but I would long for Halo CE every day and Smuggler's Run 2 every now and then without them. I wouldn't be as happy a person without OG Xbox and PS2....
7th gen: Xbox 360. The Wii is an injustice to gaming and if I already own a gamecube, then there's absolutely no reason for me to own a Wii, despite it having a surprising number of decent games (like A Boy And His Blob, Metal Slug Anthology, and the best exclusive: Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn). I find the 360 to be far more useful overall for two reasons: ONE Halo 3, and TWO having reliable versions of multiplatform titles that either received horrible PC ports (like GTA 4, my favorite GTA title) or botched PS3 ports (like Bayonetta and The Orange Box), or games that would require bullshit DRM when played on PC (ahem The Orange Box). As for the PS3, I'm just not that interested in it for some reason. Don't get me wrong, it's way better than the Wii, but I'm not very fond of many of its exclusives (like the Resistance games and the Killzone games), and a few of the exclusives that do interest me aren't even playable anymore because they were online only (like MAG and Warhawk). But there are still exclusives that I'm interested in playing, like Demon's Souls for example, so it clocks in at 2nd place for the 7th gen. But overall the 7th gen was, in my opinion, the first bad generation for home consoles.
8th gen: None . The Wii U is worthless to me, save for maybe Yoshi's Wooly World, and the Xbox One has too much emphasis on online play to get me interested. The PS4 is a console I would probably never touch either, since most modern titles don't even appeal to me. So what about the PC you may ask? In addition to my last 2 points about over-reliance of online and modern games not interesting me, it would be WAY too expensive for me to afford a PC that could run a modern game, like Witcher 3, at good settings, or even low settings, so it's not worth it at all.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on May 23, 2017 8:19:11 GMT
4th gen: - SNES The Genesis was special indeed. However for pure nostalgic reasons the SNES wins me over. Plus I can't imagine playing Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct with 3 buttons.Dude.
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Post by stratogustav on May 23, 2017 8:24:23 GMT
and the WiiU is a piece of shit. You can't hate on something you don't understand just because you heard it on the Internet. If someone feels identified with individuals that are supposed to dislike something they tend to leave all reasoning behind to match that persona, the one they think they are supposed to resemble. I know for a fact I don't like MMOs or MOBAs, I know I would feel like I'm wasting my time, but I would not say DOTA2 and LOL are shit. I acknowledge that just because I don't understand the appeal it doesn't mean those people don't find the value on it. If you like Nintendo you are a "fan boy" they say. I'm a fan of the things I like. How is that not easy to understand? One has to be very stupid to not understand that. It is common sense. Yes, Nintendo may objectively be the best game developing company on the planet, but just because it is the best it doesn't mean people are going to like it. Liking is always subjective, and quality has nothing to do with popularity or lack of popularity. I feel that a lot of guys feel threatened. They had reached adulthood, and somehow this is a big accomplishment for them, so they spite anything that challenges their self image. They error in recognizing that by doing that, they are acting as what they fear the most, actual little kids. Dan E. Kool To me that controller will always be a peripheral, just like the 32X, and the Sega CD, they were always trying to fix what they couldn't get right from the start. That's not to say their library was nothing less than stellar.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2017 8:51:32 GMT
and the WiiU is a piece of shit. You can't hate on something you don't understand just because you heard it on the Internet. If someone feels identified with individuals that are supposed to dislike something they tend to leave all reasoning behind to match that persona, the one they think they are supposed to resemble. I know for a fact I don't like MMOs or MOBAs, I know I would feel like I'm wasting my time, but I would not say DOTA2 and LOL are shit. I acknowledge that just because I don't understand the appeal it doesn't mean those people don't find the value on it. If you like Nintendo you are a "fan boy" they say. I'm a fan of the things I like. How is that not easy to understand? One has to be very stupid to not understand that. It is common sense. Yes, Nintendo may objectively be the best game developing company on the planet, but just because it is the best it doesn't mean people are going to like it. Liking is always subjective, and quality has nothing to do with popularity or lack of popularity. I feel that a lot of guys feel threatened. They had reached adulthood, and somehow this is a big accomplishment for them, so they spite anything that challenges their self image. They error in recognizing that by doing that, they are acting as what they fear the most, actual little kids. Dan E. Kool To me that controller will always be a peripheral, just like the 32X, and the Sega CD, they were always trying to fix what they couldn't get right from the start. That's not to say their library was nothing less than stellar. I think it's safe to say the WiiU is objectively the definition of underwhelming. They didn't give two shits in the development of that console. Outdated tech and specs, virtually no 3rd party support, almost no market share, pointless gimmicks (again), no exclusives that I care for (this is subjective), even Nintendo themselves have conceded that it is a failure (they have launched a second 8th gen console ffs). The WiiU is the sequel to the bastard son in the Nintendo family.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2017 8:53:05 GMT
and the WiiU is a piece of shit. Dan E. Kool To me that controller will always be a peripheral, just like the 32X, and the Sega CD, they were always trying to fix what they couldn't get right from the start. That's not to say their library was nothing less than stellar. You can't say that it's on the same plain as a console add-on. It's not the same thing at all.
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Post by stratogustav on May 23, 2017 10:12:35 GMT
I think it's safe to say the WiiU is objectively the definition of underwhelming. They didn't give two shits in the development of that console. Outdated tech and specs, virtually no 3rd party support, almost no market share, pointless gimmicks (again), no exclusives that I care for (this is subjective), even Nintendo themselves have conceded that it is a failure (they have launched a second 8th gen console ffs). The WiiU is the sequel to the bastard son in the Nintendo family. This is how reasoning is blinded by identification. You assume only the library is subjective, while the so called gimmicks, and consolidated first party experience are also subjectively likeable, and the only game where I have seen more power is significantly important is EDF, that is the one exception, but for its needs (Hyrule Warriors), the power was good enough. Also popularity is not a factor either, like someone else said, just because you are Justin Bieber it doesn't mean you are good.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2017 12:11:45 GMT
I think it's safe to say the WiiU is objectively the definition of underwhelming. They didn't give two shits in the development of that console. Outdated tech and specs, virtually no 3rd party support, almost no market share, pointless gimmicks (again), no exclusives that I care for (this is subjective), even Nintendo themselves have conceded that it is a failure (they have launched a second 8th gen console ffs). The WiiU is the sequel to the bastard son in the Nintendo family. This is how reasoning is blinded by identification. You assume only the library is subjective, while the so called gimmicks, and consolidated first party experience are also subjectively likeable, and the only game where I have seen more power is significantly important is EDF, that is the one exception, but for its needs (Hyrule Warriors), the power was good enough. Also popularity is not a factor either, like someone else said, just because you are Justin Bieber it doesn't mean you are good. By your definition the R-Zone could potentially be the best console ever made. And hardware specs is as objective as it can get. It's a 7th gen console labeled as 8th gen and released 8 years too late.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on May 23, 2017 13:50:02 GMT
Dan E. Kool To me that controller will always be a peripheral, just like the 32X, and the Sega CD, they were always trying to fix what they couldn't get right from the start. That's not to say their library was nothing less than stellar. You can't say that it's on the same plain as a console add-on. It's not the same thing at all. I agree. The six button controller is... a controller. And a very good one, too.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2017 13:59:46 GMT
You can't say that it's on the same plain as a console add-on. It's not the same thing at all. I agree. The six button controller is... a controller. And a very good one, too. I like the 3 button controller better for games that don't utilize more than 3 buttons, but the 6 button controller is awesome too.
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Post by stratogustav on May 23, 2017 15:02:39 GMT
By your definition the R-Zone could potentially be the best console ever made. And hardware specs is as objective as it can get. It's a 7th gen console labeled as 8th gen and released 8 years too late. You are only showing further a lack of grasp with reality. The R-Zone is not even functional, it doesn't have the require power to run its own games. It doesn't have a compelled first party lineup, and it cannot even get properly controlled. While Nintendo excels at all those things. Yes, the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and the PS3, but that's not important. When you say something irrational, illogical, and only based pure on emotions caused identification you have to own it. You can say I hate the Wii U because of this and that, but you can't say is shit when is clearly not. It is the best 8th gen system for many. It was the best selling 8th gen console in Japan as well. We may be the minority, but just like people that bought the Dreamcast, just because we are the minority it doesn't mean we are necessarily wrong. About the Genesis controller you missed the entire point. In no way, shape, or form I was referring to whether it is in the same category of an add-on or not, neither I was saying the controller was bad or it didn't fix the problem. What I was saying is that from the beginning the issue with our beloved Sega is that because they have always lived in the moment, they have lost by having to constantly having to fix their mistakes. The 6-button controller, just like the Sega CD, the 32X, and even the Dreamcast are exactly that. In my opinion even giving up the hardware market may had been ideal at the time, but a big mistake for the future. All those awesome 360 shmups would had been on their console and the Xbox brand would had been long gone by now. But thanks to them we have to deal with a market where people think in PC terms and forget the awesomness of what the console gaming is all about.
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Post by billspreston on May 23, 2017 16:24:25 GMT
2nd gen: Mattell Electronic Football handheld, for sentimental reasons
3rd gen: NES
4th gen: this is a tough one for me because I really love the model 1 Genesis and clamshell cases, but the Super Famicom (not the SNES) gets the nod because of my love for rpgs. A never ending treasure trove of Japanese gems that never made it West.
5th gen: PS1, and I was really surprised when I looked at the library and saw how many games still held up (somewhere around 1,000). Probably the largest library of favorites for me so it wins on volume alone but then you take into account the insane amount of JRPGs and I can easily forgive Sony's pressure on developers to not make 2d games.
6th gen: PS 2. Again, sheer volume. A little bit more for everyone with Sony's 2nd console but unfortunately 90% of the library had very muddy and dark visuals. I guess they thought that making it harder to see what was going on made it more gritty and realistic? Anyway Japan pulled out all the stops once again in terms of creativity.
7th gen: tie - DS and PSP. To hell with 7th gen home consoles. I mean, they're alright. But the portables hold up better, with better exclusives.
8th gen: PC. PC is a console right? Well even if it isn't. It's PC. Or Wii U. Wii U ain't half bad for exclusives.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2017 16:33:27 GMT
By your definition the R-Zone could potentially be the best console ever made. And hardware specs is as objective as it can get. It's a 7th gen console labeled as 8th gen and released 8 years too late. You are only showing further a lack of grasp with reality. The R-Zone is not even functional, it doesn't have the require power to run its own games. It doesn't have a compelled first party lineup, and it cannot even get properly controlled. While Nintendo excels at all those things. Yes, the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and the PS3, but that's not important. When you say something irrational, illogical, and only based pure on emotions caused identification you have to own it. You can say I hate the Wii U because of this and that, but you can't say is shit when is clearly not. It is the best 8th gen system for many. It was the best selling 8th gen console in Japan as well. We may be the minority, but just like people that bought the Dreamcast, just because we are the minority it doesn't mean we are necessarily wrong. About the Genesis controller you missed the entire point. In no way, shape, or form I was referring to whether it is in the same category of an add-on or not, neither I was saying the controller was bad or it didn't fix the problem. What I was saying is that from the beginning the issue with our beloved Sega is that because they have always lived in the moment, they have lost by having to constantly having to fix their mistakes. The 6-button controller, just like the Sega CD, the 32X, and even the Dreamcast are exactly that. In my opinion even giving up the hardware market may had been ideal at the time, but a big mistake for the future. All those awesome 360 shmups would had been on their console and the Xbox brand would had been long gone by now. But thanks to them we have to deal with a market where people think in PC terms and forget the awesomness of what the console gaming is all about. The hypocrisy in this comment is stunning. The R-Zone runs its own games, just a little poorly like the Switch does. And for some reason sales and popularity is important now strato? I thought that shit was unimportant? The WiiU does not excel at anything, because that's subjective right? Damn, that just adds another thing to the list; the WiiU has delusional fanboys. Let's still be friends though.
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Post by Cervantes on May 23, 2017 16:36:38 GMT
I guess my list goes like this:
Atari 2600 NES Mega Drive Sega Saturn Dreamcast PC - if that doesn't count, then XBOX 360 PC. None of the current consoles interest me.
This is nuch easier with portables: GB GBC GBA DS 3DS
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