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Post by teddykongcountry on Jan 28, 2016 8:25:53 GMT
I'm going to be honest. I feel I want Fire Emblem Fates even though I don't own a 3DS. I'd only buy it if I get the full cartridge, though, not the scam they're doing with the separate cartridges for parts of the same game. But the thing is, the 2 scenes which are censored most likely wouldn't be seen because the characters involved aren't interesting enough for anyone to pair with the protagonist. My issue is if they go and change something like making it unable to marry the siblings, by far the best designed characters ingame. "scam" is the best way to describe it: another money-hungry scheme by the big N giants who've mastered this process for years. Seriously, they nailed it with Awakening, they should have channeled it all into one game that maybe should have cost 50 bucks or 60 with some bonus poster or something. I don't care about the censorship as much as I do the fact that they understock the best value way of enjoying the game(s), I will replay the older titles before I even fall into this madness. Great call SS! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:36:20 GMT
Although I'm not a fan of censoring content, we also have to see it from the company's perspective. If they censor the game, fans get angry; if they don't censor content that might offend western audiences, parents (who, mind you, are often the ones responsible for purchasing games for their children and have easier access/greater inclination to start a petition or contact their local political or media representative)will be outraged, and this will result in bad PR. So Nintendo's damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Also remember that a number of game companies have even chosen to censor or not release titles at all in the West for other, non-sexual reasons. Games with religious content or references that relate to Christian mythology (ex. the early SMT games)wouldn't have gone over too well with parents in the U.S. 'Bible Belt' region for example. As older, more conservative generations die off and younger (generally more) liberal game players become adults themselves, this situation will hopefully change. Do I think some instances of censorship are downright silly (I'm looking at you, Probotector and Propeller Arena!)? Definitely. But there was a reason behind them, regardless of whether we players agree or not.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jan 28, 2016 13:14:24 GMT
teddykongcountry I don't really oppose the pricing if I'm getting several campaigns each as long as Awakening. That said, I'm pondering how I'm going to get the game. If I can find the collector's edition that has all three campaigns, I'm okay with that. However, if not, I'll probably pick up the entire game digitally. If 2/3 of the story is going to be DLC, then I might as well go entirely digital.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Jan 28, 2016 16:15:08 GMT
You know what? It might be best to buy one version of the game then sell/trade it for the other version when all is done and said. That way, I'm only really forking over 50 bucks to play both games which I probably won't replay anyway.
I refer back to stratogustav though in his claim that Nintendo prized themselves in not desensitizing Awakening and while several scenes may be questionable, I presume this series caters primarily to a mature audience anyway. I just hope the renditions aren't noticeably gimped.
Is 2/3rds DLC? Maybe that's just if you buy the collector's edition.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jan 28, 2016 17:19:12 GMT
teddykongcountry , you may want to hold off on that plan. Not that I've played it yet, but, here is my understanding: There are 3 storyline: Birthright, Conquest and Revelation. Birthright and Conquest are the same for the first few chapters, but then become very different depending on what physical version you have. If you are playing the digital version (or the Collector's Edition physical copy), you have a choice that locks you in on one of the paths for that particular save file. With the regular and digital versions, the other path is then available as DLC once you've completed your initial playthrough. Once you've completed playthrough of both Conquest and Birthright, Revelation becomes available on the 3rd playthrough as a DLC option. The collector's edition still has the lock (3 playthroughs total, but has all on the cart). Base prices at launch are (in the US any, so bit more for us in Canada, etc) $40 for the physical copies of Birthright or Conquest, with the DLC for the other two storylines being $20 each. The Collector's Edition retails for $80, though pre-orders appear to already be sold out. (I'm sure some game stores will have Collector's Editions kicking around. For example, my local game store does not take pre-orders on Collector's Editions of anything, as their suppliers don't always know how many copies they'll be providing. Downside of this is that after release, the collector's edition price will likely remain high.) There are a few difficulties with selling or trading for the other storyline. Saves files are stored on the cartridges themselves, rather than the 3DS with the physical versions. This means that your plan would allow you to play through the first two scenarios, but you'd be using two different copies, rather than one continued save file, so you could complete Birthright and Conquest, but Revelation would not be unlocked. That's what I mean by 2/3rds being DLC, except with the Collector's Edition copy. Is this a model that I'd like to see going forward for Fire Emblem? Not really, but I did buy some of the DLC for Awakening, and I'd see why they'd want to test the waters this way. It won't prevent me from purchasing Fire Emblem Fates. EDIT: Looking into this further, my understanding was flawed. Will post more below.
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Post by spidershinobi on Jan 28, 2016 21:30:16 GMT
The issue with this game is that Nintendo wants you to think it's like Pokémon, but it's clearly designed like Folklore instead. You have to pay for each side of the story, though. So in reality it is a single game composed of 3 smaller-than-usual campaigns that's probably only complete once the 3 are together.
Let me explain:
- the white cartridge contains the easy game in which you are allowed to participate in skirmishes like in Sacred Stones, for example, and you fight the oriental side's fight;
- the black cartridge contains the hard game in which you play a game with somewhat less orthodox objectives, while commanding people from the western side;
- the non-cartridge product contains the moderate difficulty game in which you actually solve the story, and apparently also lets you do skirmishes.
Now tell me: do you think any of that sounds complete? Specially knowing that no previous Fire Emblem is as short as the contents of 1 cartridge?
And the worst part is that Fates is probably going to be the best Fire Emblem game mechanically. The changes announced and even already seen by importers suggest that every previous Fire Emblem will look like shit once this one (not three) comes out.
So, I stay by what I've said. If I ever spot this game as a full package, and a full package ONLY, I'll get it in the instant and worry about buying a 3DS later. The censorship is beginning to get ugly... The skinship feature, while very dumb, is supposed to provide gameplay benefits, so I hope they replaced it with something else and I really, really hope they didn't go overboeard with the censoring. I'm still a potential buyer, but Nintendo tries hard to change this.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jan 28, 2016 22:55:39 GMT
spidershinobi That's a good way to describe it too. The funny thing is, I think it is all a matter of perception. If Fates had a world-wide release with one campaign, and then 6 months later, the first DLC campaign of equal length was released for $20, and then 6 months after that a 3rd campaign, I don't think there would be much in the way of objections. This is definitely something that other console and PC games have done (I think Witcher 3 is in the process of a multi-stage release like this). There's just a mental road block about spending $80 for all the main story content in a 3DS game out of the game. And as you said, it has been kind of marketed as a pokemon style white/black release, which isn't actually very accurate.
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Post by Pimpjira on Jan 29, 2016 21:44:00 GMT
Smaller than usual campaigns? I've heard they are comparable to other Fire Emblem games and if that's the case I have no problem with it. Even if they were slightly shorter I wouldn't take too much issue because I feel past games have given me more than their money's worth.
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Post by spidershinobi on Jan 30, 2016 22:56:14 GMT
PimpjiraOh yeah, you're right. The chapter count is indeed around the same for each cartridge. I wouldn't be very bothered with numbers anyway. Imperial KhadorI'm not sure... I'm not one to enjoy that kind of practice, even if I am ok with buying short sections in the form of somewhat expensive DLC. My opinion on Fates is that if it was developed in a Pokémon-like way I'd be fully on-board, even if one person might never be able to acquire X character, it would still be better than this "miss out on the full story or buy separate products" BS.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jan 30, 2016 23:23:17 GMT
Just regarding my posts above, it looks like I misunderstood how Revelations is working. Although it will be on-cart for the collectors edition, it looks like it is just releasing as DLC accessible from the main menu on March 10th. So for someone like teddykongcountry who is considering buying one cart, then trading it for the other, they'll still be able to buy the Revelations path normally. |
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Post by teddykongcountry on Jan 31, 2016 20:03:46 GMT
I agree with preferring subtle differences in the games than buying half or, dare I say, a third of the story. It just feels like another recent Nintendo sham to get more moolah out the buyers and they are capitalizing off of renewed interest since Awakening.
That being said, I heard something recently about how Awakening was supposed to be the last Fire Emblem game but that it established such cult popularity, Nintendo went ahead with the newest rendition. I'll be honest here, I haven't played Awakening since I beat it so buying the games individually might actually work in my best interest but come the February release date, I will still have a lot on my plate game-wise. I don't see the individual games commanding a higher retail value anyway.
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Post by stratogustav on Feb 1, 2016 4:57:52 GMT
Wait what? You can marry your siblings? So is it like The Sims where you can choose what to do? Somehow this series strikes me more like one of the turn based combat RPG games with a lot of dialogues to go through.
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Post by spidershinobi on Feb 2, 2016 22:58:45 GMT
No, it's like Fire Emblem Awakening. You had an avatar character there too.
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Post by stratogustav on Feb 2, 2016 23:25:54 GMT
I haven't play any. People say good things about the series in general. Maybe I should try it sometime considering I already have the Amiibos.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 6, 2016 4:52:37 GMT
In spite of Nintendo's adamant stance that each new Fire Emblem include complete games, what spidershinobi said remains true that what they are marketing as three games actually could have been put on one cartridge and sold that way but of course, they had to break it up the threefold way whilst keeping the "special edition" low-stocked and expensive to bolster sales. I mean, if SMTIV could have several branching pathways within one game, why couldn't Nintendo consistently bundle each copy this way? It's a blow to the face for consumers especially considering as the only preorder bonus for the reduced versions are cheesy pins. |
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