Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Dec 4, 2017 19:47:27 GMT
Sega would had been fine if Xbox never intended to enter the race. If Xbox didn't exist, I'm sure Sega would had found a way to stay around. No, if anyone killed Sega, it was Sega themselves. And if we have to blame a second company, it'd be Sony, not Microsoft. As cool as the Dreamcast was, Sega was already dead in the water after the Saturn was released as a total mess. They'd made too many mistakes to make a comeback by the time the Dreamcast came around. My personal opinion is that if Tom Kalinske had had more control over the direction of the company, Sega would have been better off. But that's all speculation. |
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Post by cobretti on Dec 4, 2017 19:51:39 GMT
It's gotta be Nintendo from me. They've just been more consistent over the long run. Sorry, Tom.  If I heard this blasphemy from anyone else here, I would brush it off. But from you? I am disappoint. |
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Dec 4, 2017 19:54:41 GMT
It's gotta be Nintendo from me. They've just been more consistent over the long run. Sorry, Tom. If I heard this blasphemy from anyone else here, I would brush it off. But from you? I am disappoint.  |
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Dec 4, 2017 20:10:01 GMT
I hope this makes it up to you, cobretti |
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Dec 4, 2017 22:09:29 GMT
They had two Segas: Japan and America. Never shall they get along... RIP
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Post by Cervantes on Dec 4, 2017 22:46:21 GMT
scipioafricanus - Yeah, what was up with that? Sega was competing with itself the whole time, and that was the main reason why it failed. As Dan E. Kool said, if Tom Kalinske had more control during the Mega Drive / Saturn transition, they would be in a much better position during that time. As far as I know, the Dreamcast was a huge success; the problem is that they were in such a bad shape after the Saturn that just the menace of the PS2 competition was enough to fold them.
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Post by dschult3 on Dec 4, 2017 23:29:44 GMT
They had two Segas: Japan and America. Never shall they get along... RIP I seriously question a lot of these videos on the division between Sega of America and Japan. The quotes seem to be coming from just a few people, and there isn't a lot of evidence from Sega of Japan. It would seem that the President of Sega of America is really hyping himself up as the god of video games, while everyone in Japan was stupid as hell. I don't buy it... |
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Post by stratogustav on Dec 5, 2017 6:42:51 GMT
We know Sega pulled their own plug. They lacked vision and future thinking, they went for an easy quick fix, instead of the long run plan like Nintendo. By the time Microsoft learned everything they needed to know from them, it was too late, there was no way back at that point.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Dec 5, 2017 16:01:15 GMT
I seriously question a lot of these videos on the division between Sega of America and Japan. The quotes seem to be coming from just a few people, and there isn't a lot of evidence from Sega of Japan. It would seem that the President of Sega of America is really hyping himself up as the god of video games, while everyone in Japan was stupid as hell. I don't buy it... Repent, nonbeliever, repent! Forgive him, O Merciful Tom Kalinske! The heretic knows not what he says! ~Kalinske saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Sega Spirit~Sega 3:5 |
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Post by Tom Kalinske on Dec 5, 2017 16:06:47 GMT
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Dec 5, 2017 16:12:00 GMT
Thanks, Tom! 'Preciate it, dude. Just going to point out that the original Xbox came out in November 2001. The Dreamcast was discontinued more than half a year earlier in March of 2001. So Sega and Microsoft never competed with each other. |
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Dec 5, 2017 22:47:20 GMT
They had two Segas: Japan and America. Never shall they get along... RIP I seriously question a lot of these videos on the division between Sega of America and Japan. The quotes seem to be coming from just a few people, and there isn't a lot of evidence from Sega of Japan. It would seem that the President of Sega of America is really hyping himself up as the god of video games, while everyone in Japan was stupid as hell. I don't buy it... The Japanese have a history of not speaking publicly on confrontational issues. We will never know what happened between Kojima and Konami, for example. |
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Post by dschult3 on Dec 5, 2017 23:58:57 GMT
I seriously question a lot of these videos on the division between Sega of America and Japan. The quotes seem to be coming from just a few people, and there isn't a lot of evidence from Sega of Japan. It would seem that the President of Sega of America is really hyping himself up as the god of video games, while everyone in Japan was stupid as hell. I don't buy it... The Japanese have a history of not speaking publicly on confrontational issues. We will never know what happened between Kojima and Konami, for example. I agree. I just think that sourcing a couple of disgruntled people seems to be the norm these days, and it is a little unfair. There are many other factors in Sega's decision making process. The Japanese market moves quickly, and a lot of money is spent on the newest technology, so I'm sure the pressure to move on to a new console was there in Japan. I'm sure there was a ton going on behind the scenes, and we will never hear about it. |
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Dec 6, 2017 1:15:01 GMT
The Japanese have a history of not speaking publicly on confrontational issues. We will never know what happened between Kojima and Konami, for example. I agree. I just think that sourcing a couple of disgruntled people seems to be the norm these days, and it is a little unfair. There are many other factors in Sega's decision making process. The Japanese market moves quickly, and a lot of money is spent on the newest technology, so I'm sure the pressure to move on to a new console was there in Japan. I'm sure there was a ton going on behind the scenes, and we will never hear about it. Well you know the story... the Saturn was the reason I never even thought of getting a Dreamcast. |
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Post by Cervantes on Dec 6, 2017 21:36:31 GMT
To be fair, the Saturn WAS hugely successful in Japan, far surpassing in sales the N64, so Sega of Japan must have made at least some great decisions (Segata Sanshiro being one of the better ones). Also, I doubt they had any responsibility on the awful US ads, that was probably all on SoA side.
Still, the "early release" was, by all accounts, SoJ; also, replacing Tom with Bernie Stolar was just a terrible move. The guy was fired from Sony for a reason.
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