Balder
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Post by Balder on Mar 26, 2018 9:26:35 GMT
I do not approve this. You should never wish such a horrible thing for any human being. That is a horrible thing to say. Plus why do you hate him? Just because he has an opinion doesn't make him evil. In fact artists should have the freedom to express themselves as they please or it is no longer art. Filmmaking is also a form of artistic expression and should possess the same kind of freedom. What? I thought for a second there that we were on the same page about Mel Gibson? I hate him because he has abused his rights as a human being on planet Earth. Namely, he has added 9 CHILDREN onto this planet, which in this day and age is absolutely unacceptable and is a crime against our planet. On top of that, he is a self proclaimed ultra conservative. What is especially troubling is that all of those 9 kids will probably grow up to be bigoted just like him and themselves will go on to have 9 kids of their own and deny global warming. He deserves all the scathing criticism he gets for playing dirty just to get his way. No matter how much he apologizes (not that he ever would), there is no way he can undo the crime he has committed. When you have a kid, it's here to stay, and there's nothing that can be done. Americans live more unsustainably than do citizens of any other country, especially when they come from parents as wealthy as people like him. Oh, and then there's the fact that he's a racist and anti-semitic and has been known to beat women on occasion. Wow dude that's pretty harsh. And I LOL'd at the 9 kids comment. Of course there had to be something else underlying here. You can say what you want about the man, but he sure knows how to make and star in movies. Apocalypto is a relatively unknown movie, but it's fantastic. cobretti it also has a lot of killing and blood'n shit. Also, he is Mad Max. Mad fucking Max dude. Mad... fuck-ing Max... dude.
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 26, 2018 9:47:29 GMT
Spartacus is better.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 26, 2018 9:49:23 GMT
I do not approve this. You should never wish such a horrible thing for any human being. That is a horrible thing to say. Plus why do you hate him? Just because he has an opinion doesn't make him evil. In fact artists should have the freedom to express themselves as they please or it is no longer art. Filmmaking is also a form of artistic expression and should possess the same kind of freedom. What? I thought for a second there that we were on the same page about Mel Gibson? I hate him because he has abused his rights as a human being on planet Earth. Namely, he has added 9 CHILDREN onto this planet, which in this day and age is absolutely unacceptable and is a crime against our planet. On top of that, he is a self proclaimed ultra conservative. What is especially troubling is that all of those 9 kids will probably grow up to be bigoted just like him and themselves will go on to have 9 kids of their own and deny global warming. He deserves all the scathing criticism he gets for playing dirty just to get his way. No matter how much he apologizes (not that he ever would), there is no way he can undo the crime he has committed. When you have a kid, it's here to stay, and there's nothing that can be done. Americans live more unsustainably than do citizens of any other country, especially when they come from parents as wealthy as people like him. Oh, and then there's the fact that he's a racist and anti-semitic and has been known to beat women on occasion.
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Post by MeleeMonk on Mar 26, 2018 10:59:21 GMT
What? I thought for a second there that we were on the same page about Mel Gibson? Well, just because I'm not anti-semitic doesn't mean I want to kill anti-semitic people. It was an exaggeration.
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Post by MeleeMonk on Mar 26, 2018 11:03:34 GMT
What? I thought for a second there that we were on the same page about Mel Gibson? I hate him because he has abused his rights as a human being on planet Earth. Namely, he has added 9 CHILDREN onto this planet, which in this day and age is absolutely unacceptable and is a crime against our planet. On top of that, he is a self proclaimed ultra conservative. What is especially troubling is that all of those 9 kids will probably grow up to be bigoted just like him and themselves will go on to have 9 kids of their own and deny global warming. He deserves all the scathing criticism he gets for playing dirty just to get his way. No matter how much he apologizes (not that he ever would), there is no way he can undo the crime he has committed. When you have a kid, it's here to stay, and there's nothing that can be done. Americans live more unsustainably than do citizens of any other country, especially when they come from parents as wealthy as people like him. Oh, and then there's the fact that he's a racist and anti-semitic and has been known to beat women on occasion. Wow dude that's pretty harsh. And I LOL'd at the 9 kids comment. Of course there had to be something else underlying here. You can say what you want about the man, but he sure knows how to make and star in movies. Apocalypto is a relatively unknown movie, but it's fantastic. cobretti it also has a lot of killing and blood'n shit. Also, he is Mad Max. Mad fucking Max dude. Mad... fuck-ing Max... dude. I want to clarify that I was not taking either his film making nor his acting career into account with that early comment of mine, although you could easily argue that Passion of the Christ is evidence of his anti-semitism (not that you'd need to do that much digging). I think he's a good actor but a terrible human being.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Mar 26, 2018 11:49:30 GMT
Wow dude that's pretty harsh. And I LOL'd at the 9 kids comment. Of course there had to be something else underlying here. You can say what you want about the man, but he sure knows how to make and star in movies. Apocalypto is a relatively unknown movie, but it's fantastic. cobretti it also has a lot of killing and blood'n shit. Also, he is Mad Max. Mad fucking Max dude. Mad... fuck-ing Max... dude. I want to clarify that I was not taking either his film making nor his acting career into account with that early comment of mine, although you could easily argue that Passion of the Christ is evidence of his anti-semitism (not that you'd need to do that much digging). I think he's a good actor but a terrible human being. It's been almost a decade since I watched Passion of the Christ, but why was it anti-Semitic?
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 26, 2018 16:44:20 GMT
I don't think the art seal is wrongly stamped here. What I think is that people have the wrong idea about art movies in general. People think art movies are generally boring. This is completely untrue. People think art movies equals pretentious. I on the other hand think that it means the movie will be different, different from all the generic crap I've been watching for ages. That's why art movies rock, because it's not the same fucking movie all over again (angrily starring at Disney). My problem isn't with the movies themselves (of course not!), but with the "seal" - it's more usually than not just a way to be pretentious (not the movie, but the people who will feel more intelligent for having watched what they see as an "art movie"). See, you rarely see comedies, horror or action movies being qualified as "art movies" because they are seen as lower genres - when they do, then people will do their best to not consider them as part of those larger genres. Be honest: people don't use the "art movie" expression just to describe very creative and innovative or absolutely great movies. If it was like this, Alien would be described as an art movie as much as 2001. All the Monty Python comedies would be called art movies, or comedies like This is Spinal Tap. Action movies like Hardcore Henry, which is filmed in an entirely innovative way, would also be called art movies. But none of them are seen or described that way. Why? Because the "art movie" designation is usually a way to say that a movie is above the kind of fun that you would get from "simple" comedy, horror or action - even thought those genres aren't simple at all. The way I see it, every movie is art on principle (although The Room is more art than the others, obviously!); some of them can be formulaic, like most current Disney's releases, others can be innovative, but, in the end, they're all artistic expressions - some good, some bad, some innovative, some derivative. If I call one movie "art movie" and other not, that tells more about my personal skewed views on art than what the movie is about. My point is that "art movie" is a meaningless way to describe a movie and tells me nothing about it, except the fact that someone thinks this movie is too complicated and that they feel this is inherently good. Edit: It's been almost a decade since I watched Passion of the Christ, but why was it anti-Semitic? It seems he included a line that condemned jewish people for being responsible for Christ's crucification; then he said the line would be cut from the movie, then some people noticed that the line wasn't cut at all - it just wasn't subtitled.
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Mar 26, 2018 20:50:56 GMT
I'm really starting to like this Mel Gibson guy. In fact, my love for this movie is only beaten out by my love and respect for Mel Gibson. Both are decades ahead of their time. 2001:A Space Odyssey tackles some of mankind's greatest questions in regards to evolution and alien life. The overall silence and subdued emotion from the human characters is something that usually will drive me away from a movie(as it seems to have with a decent chunk of people). In this particular case however, I like how there's less things to remind of you of home, like genuine human interaction, which adds to the whole otherworldly atmosphere. It also means the select few times where a character does show emotion carries more impact. It's still not quite my personal favorite Kubric movie, but I do think it's his most impressive. I can't even imagine what seeing this movie back in the 60s must've been like. One thing that annoys me to no end is that people have attached an "art movie" seal to 2001. Which means that it got this image of a boring, abstract movie about nothing at all. I've seen people being legitimately surprised to learn that there's an actual plot in 2001 and that it's an horror movie with a crazy AI. I can only guess it got the "art movie" seal from the combination of how unusual the movie is, the multiple pieces of classical music used for the movie followed by long periods of silence, and how it tries to tackle so many serious themes. Still, I don't think Space Odyssey gets into art movie territory until the last portion and even then you still have a vague idea of what's going on story-wise, which is all you really need.
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Post by cobretti on Mar 26, 2018 21:18:16 GMT
Are we we talking about Mel?
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Mar 27, 2018 2:35:38 GMT
The whole Mel Gibson discussion started because strato made a dumb joke. It spread like wildfire, just like the latest news about some president and some pornstar (*waits in anticipation).
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 27, 2018 5:09:21 GMT
Let's make clear I have nothing against Mel Gibson other than admiration for having the balls to stand tall in front of the elite of his industry without fear or giving a crap. I'm not anti-semitic, but I can respect someone that can defend his position specially if that entails losing all his social assets, not many would dare to do the same. The whole Mel Gibson discussion started because strato made a dumb joke. Your mom. About the artsy movies discussion, yes for a movie to be successful it requires an incredible among of talent, even the commercial ones. Appealing to the big crowd requires talent. It's like games. There is nothing wrong with Call Of Duty or other bro games, they follow a set of principles that simply appeal to the masses, and even if that is not as artistic as Shadow Of The Colossus or Breath Of The Wild, we can't deny it requires a crazy amount of talent to accomplish that many sales and appeal to such a large audience making them coming back for more every year.
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Post by billspreston on Mar 28, 2018 17:11:22 GMT
When someone says 'art movie' to me I tend to think of things like 'Blue Potato no 4' or 'Penis, penis, penis' by Yoko Ono.
Directors like Kubrick, Lynch, Gibson and Fellini are - albeit geniuses - too mainstream to be considered art filmmakers.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Mar 29, 2018 9:57:09 GMT
When someone says 'art movie' to me I tend to think of things like 'Blue Potato no 4' or 'Penis, penis, penis' by Yoko Ono. Directors like Kubrick, Lynch, Gibson and Fellini are - albeit geniuses - too mainstream to be considered art filmmakers. Not calling Kubrick's movies art movies is retarded. Of course they are. Can't art movies be mainstream?
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Post by billspreston on Mar 29, 2018 14:44:56 GMT
When someone says 'art movie' to me I tend to think of things like 'Blue Potato no 4' or 'Penis, penis, penis' by Yoko Ono. Directors like Kubrick, Lynch, Gibson and Fellini are - albeit geniuses - too mainstream to be considered art filmmakers. Not calling Kubrick's movies masterpieces is retarded. Of course they are. Can't masterpieces be mainstream? fixed.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Mar 29, 2018 17:37:21 GMT
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