MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Aug 7, 2022 23:55:17 GMT
Oh boy, the Colonel here is such a straw man! Roddenberry was a little too optimistic about human nature, because humans have been the same all throughout history. What's interesting is, that money does become a thing on Deep Space 9, particularly '(p)latnium'. I think the real takeaway from the Samuel Clemens scene is Deanna Troi has great breasts. Latimum is more of a Ferengi thing than a Federation thing. Sisko never even bothered charging Quark rent. If young Melee is worried about how space travel and colonization is handled in Trek, it’s the Ferengi he should be mad about. I believe they even had a rule of acquisition that related to it. I think the intro for the original series sums up everything wrong with this sci-fi shlock perfectly: "Space, the final frontier. The Star Trek Enterprize's five year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life, and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before."
So basically, this space colonization sub-genre is just Christophor Columbus in space. And we all know what became of that asshole's expedition: Fuck this evil shit. Count me out.
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centipede
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Post by centipede on Aug 8, 2022 0:57:04 GMT
However, MeleeMonk , the human civilisation in Star Trek is supposed to be beyond that. Even in the Original Series, in hte episode 'mirror mirror', they start off with Kirk negotiating with the Halkans to mine di-lithium on their planet. The Halkans refuse but Kirk takes it in gracefully. Then, when the crew goes to the evil dimension, the evil Enterprise is preparing to bomb the Halkans.
and HOW THE EVERLIVING FUCK do you associate a quest for knowledge and new worlds with the things that happened a few centuries ago? Did your prescription run out again?
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Aug 8, 2022 1:22:30 GMT
However, MeleeMonk , the human civilisation in Star Trek is supposed to be beyond that. Even in the Original Series, in hte episode 'mirror mirror', they start off with Kirk negotiating with the Halkans to mine di-lithium on their planet. The Halkans refuse but Kirk takes it in gracefully. Then, when the crew goes to the evil dimension, the evil Enterprise is preparing to bomb the Halkans.
and HOW THE EVERLIVING FUCK do you associate a quest for knowledge and new worlds with the things that happened a few centuries ago? Did your prescription run out again?
His religion is rather boring and troll like.
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MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Aug 15, 2022 4:42:24 GMT
However, MeleeMonk , the human civilisation in Star Trek is supposed to be beyond that. Even in the Original Series, in hte episode 'mirror mirror', they start off with Kirk negotiating with the Halkans to mine di-lithium on their planet. The Halkans refuse but Kirk takes it in gracefully. Then, when the crew goes to the evil dimension, the evil Enterprise is preparing to bomb the Halkans.
and HOW THE EVERLIVING FUCK do you associate a quest for knowledge and new worlds with the things that happened a few centuries ago? Did your prescription run out again?
Pfff, that's just the white conservatives in Hollywood sugarcoating it. In reality, that scenario would play out exactly like Thanksgiving after the Mayflower landed in America: an ostensibly peaceful greeting followed by military force if the word "no" was even once uttered from the natives' mouths. "If you don't hand over your land, we take it by force". First world countries don't take "no" for an answer, especially America. It's all about looting and plundering for the 1% here. For example, just look at what the conservatives here recently tried to do with the Dakota Access Pipeline. And the quest for knowledge is, again, just a load of sugarcoated Hollywood tripe. Since when have the scientists of America ever had ANY actual power or say in what happens in the big picture??? Centipede, do you not remember the films An Inconvenient Truth and Who Killed the Electric Car? The oil industry and the automotive industry had more than enough power to repress the general public's understanding of the science of climate change and EVs. Ever since Ronald Regan showed up in the early 80s, America has been a dystopia ruled by mega-rich corporations that control everything, and at this rate they're going to be the ones calling the shots on what goes on in outer space. THEY have the power, not the scientists. And a real life "captain" would be slavishly following their orders and carrying out any hit on any alien colony that the billionaire space pigs like Elon Musk demand.
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centipede
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Post by centipede on Aug 16, 2022 2:44:35 GMT
Star Trek is FICTION. And it is also Gene Roddenbury's IDEALISED vision of the future where there is no greed, poverty or war on Earth. There is no agenda behind the series, except maybe aspiring to a brighter future.
Now, what you've just done is taken the original plot, said "No, actually, it would happen more like this...", then judged the original series based on your more dystopian, reimagining.
You are trying to see agendas where there is none, or maybe you just WANT to hate things...
Also, all I remember of Al Gore's movie-length slideshow presentation is a lot of graphs and numbers over stuff I have no control over. As for your Electric Car movie, no, I remember nothing because I haven't seen it. Because it's just you trying to force your doomer-fuel down our throats. We don't want to be 'educated'. We're not addicted to misery like you are.
And if and when I release some fiction of my own, would you really do the same to my work?!
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