MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jan 7, 2018 17:07:29 GMT
There's something I've been wondering about: who's fault is it that Far Cry (2004) is not compatible with Windows 10? in this case, is it Microsoft's fault or Ubisoft's fault?
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jan 7, 2018 20:00:08 GMT
Are you suggesting Microsoft should be designing their general use OS with 10+ year old game compatibility in mind, or that Ubisoft should commit to patch everything they put out for every new OS version even 10+ years old? Neither really makes much sense, so I wouldn't call it anyone's fault.
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Armored Core Raven
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Post by Armored Core Raven on Jan 7, 2018 20:12:34 GMT
Why not both?
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jan 7, 2018 20:35:03 GMT
Are you suggesting Microsoft should be designing their general use OS with 10+ year old game compatibility in mind, or that Ubisoft should commit to patch everything they put out for every new OS version even 10+ years old? Neither really makes much sense, so I wouldn't call it anyone's fault.
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MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jan 8, 2018 0:01:14 GMT
Are you suggesting Microsoft should be designing their general use OS with 10+ year old game compatibility in mind, or that Ubisoft should commit to patch everything they put out for every new OS version even 10+ years old? Neither really makes much sense, so I wouldn't call it anyone's fault. The former absolutely makes sense. Jedi Outcast is a 2002 game that runs perfectly well on Windows 10, so there's no reason why a 2004 game shouldn't. I'm tempted to call it laziness on Microsoft's part, but I don't know enough about PC compatibility to say for sure.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jan 8, 2018 2:18:35 GMT
I don't know enough about PC compatibility to say for sure. Suffice it to say, just because one older game works on Windows 10 doesn't necessarily mean all will. PC games definitely have much better backwards compatibility options than consoles, but there's often a lot more leg work needed on the part of the player, whether that be manually editing settings, searching out fan patches if official ones have stopped, etc. This isn't unique to older games either. It isn't unusual to get a relatively new game, which should run with your computer's specs, and have it either not start up, or start with any number of issues. Then it is a matter of seeing if the publisher has it as a known issue, tracking down other folks with the same problem and what they're doing, see if there's a patch available, etc. PC is a great format for gaming, and 90% of the time, there's a way to enjoy something with a minimal amount of work, but that other 10%, it can be time consuming or frustrating to search for fixes. I was curious, so did check around a bit. Ubisoft is a bit notorious for DRM issues on PC, and there are apparently some older versions of DRM that are incompatible with Windows 10, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Far Cry. Some Google searches did show people having to run in Windows compatibility mode, change their install directory, make sure to run with admin rights, etc, but it does seem doable. Others seem to be running it with no issues at all.
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Jan 8, 2018 23:09:54 GMT
PC gaming always looks so complicated, I'm jealous of the mods, but I'm not jealous of the complications of setting up every single game to work properly in your given PC.
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Cervantes
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Post by Cervantes on Jan 9, 2018 2:10:57 GMT
Yeah, there's this particular window for pc games (around 2003-2008) in which pc games were turning into a nightmare, with plenty of invasive DRM schemes that often meant the games had too many compatibility and performance issues - the most infamous release is probably GTA 4, for being such a huge game that had so many problems caused by all the DRMs and systems you had to login thrown on top of each other - SecuROM, GFWL, Rockstar Social Club and Steam DRM. It's a fucking mess.
Games from this period are notoriously more difficult to run on modern pcs than the games before or after it - last year, I played through every single 90s Tomb Raider games without encountering any problems; Thief 1&2, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex all ran smoothly too. But 2003-2008 games need much more tinkering to get them working, unless they were patched more recently (like all the Valve games and others like Bioshock that were patched to get rid of GFWL). I know that Ubisoft ones are especially troublesome, as none of them received later official patches.
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Jan 9, 2018 4:06:41 GMT
I'm able to play alot of older games on Win 8.1 just fine, so it could be a Ubisoft problem (especially since FC1 had that UPlay program iirc). At the same time, I'm not familiar with the details of what exactly causes the problem so it could actually be a problem that Microsoft caused for all I know. Armored Core Raven I personally don't think it's Microsoft's responsibility to make sure decades old software works flawlessly on their newer OS, but I wish they'd stop exacerbating the problem with their design philosophy. Microsoft loves bloating Windows with dumb shit nobody asked for and overall making a messier and more problematic product. Cervantes I made sure never to buy another Rockstar PC port again after that GTA 4 disaster. I bought the physical copy so I didn't have to put up with Steam, but GWFL eventually made it straight up unplayable after an update.
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MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jan 11, 2018 7:15:37 GMT
Yeah, there's this particular window for pc games (around 2003-2008) in which pc games were turning into a nightmare, with plenty of invasive DRM schemes that often meant the games had too many compatibility and performance issues - the most infamous release is probably GTA 4, for being such a huge game that had so many problems caused by all the DRMs and systems you had to login thrown on top of each other - SecuROM, GFWL, Rockstar Social Club and Steam DRM. It's a fucking mess. Games from this period are notoriously more difficult to run on modern pcs than the games before or after it - last year, I played through every single 90s Tomb Raider games without encountering any problems; Thief 1&2, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex all ran smoothly too. But 2003-2008 games need much more tinkering to get them working, unless they were patched more recently (like all the Valve games and others like Bioshock that were patched to get rid of GFWL). I know that Ubisoft ones are especially troublesome, as none of them received later official patches. I appreciate the the info. I'm still disappointed by this though. I feel like Microsoft could've gone about handling this issue better. I always get sad when I think about all the unfortunate people who bought GTA IV off of Steam only to find out the game wouldn't run at all. I think it's insulting that Rockstar has neglected that disastrous port so much. They ought to get sued for conning people out of their money. At the very least Rockstar or Valve should give a warning to people who are interested in buying the game (off Steam) that it won't run without extensive tinkering. Same goes with other problematic PC games like Deus Ex Invisible War.
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