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Post by Cervantes on May 7, 2018 3:39:07 GMT
Cervantes In the US, the 90s was a significant improvement for environmental awareness compared to the 80s, but I don't know if the same was true for Brazil. Nowadays, it seems like every country EXCEPT the US is becoming progressively more environmentally aware. I think there was more awareness in the 90s, but the real action only started showing in the 2000s. Then it was all in the shit again in the last few years. The US isn't the only country worsening its environmental politics: in Brazil, the last two years have been a hell of a ride, as the current government is pretty much owned by meat industries and a political coalition known as the ruralists. If you look at technical studies, you'll see that the devastation of brazilian Amazon areas was decreasing since 2004 - it has an estimated 84% decrease in deforestation between 2004-2012; the decreasing slowed down in the following years (while the ruralists were rising in power inside the Congress), then it recently had a sudden increase of 29% in 2016, when the new government assumed, and is still on the rise ever since. A very comprehensive study can be found here. So the US isn't the only country getting worse in this respect. |
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Post by Spirit Bomb on May 7, 2018 6:01:44 GMT
Cervantes In the US, the 90s was a significant improvement for environmental awareness compared to the 80s, but I don't know if the same was true for Brazil. Nowadays, it seems like every country EXCEPT the US is becoming progressively more environmentally aware. I think there was more awareness in the 90s, but the real action only started showing in the 2000s. Then it was all in the shit again in the last few years. The US isn't the only country worsening its environmental politics: in Brazil, the last two years have been a hell of a ride, as the current government is pretty much owned by meat industries and a political coalition known as the ruralists. If you look at technical studies, you'll see that the devastation of brazilian Amazon areas was decreasing since 2004 - it has an estimated 84% decrease in deforestation between 2004-2012; the decreasing slowed down in the following years (while the ruralists were rising in power inside the Congress), then it recently had a sudden increase of 29% in 2016, when the new government assumed, and is still on the rise ever since. A very comprehensive study can be found here. So the US isn't the only country getting worse in this respect. Oh, that's very distressing.  Even though I kind of assumed that was how things were heading in Brazil lately, since we lost most government funding in 2016 (via Trump election) which was one of the primary sources of funds for our environmental organizations which are trying to protect the rainforests in South/central America. Not to mention that the US has the highest rate of meat consumption of any developed country on Earth, and pretty much every fast food company on Earth is headquartered here (which are the ones who buys the beef your country produces). I'll definitely check out that page you linked. I'm very interested in learning more about this. |
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Post by Balder on May 7, 2018 10:11:12 GMT
According to my university studies in Modern History. I think your university has a bit of a skewered version of history. I get that a state run university in a largely socialist nation wouldn’t want to attribute economic prosperity to brash, big dick swinging, dyed in the wool capitalist, but blaming the 2008 on Reagan is flat wrong. Reaganomics curbed a decade of inflation and joblessness and saved the US economy. I don't think it's skewered. Reagan wasn't a bad president at all, hell, he might even be one of the best ones the US ever had, but letting the banks run themselves so loosely was ONE of the things that led to 2008. Clinton is another reason. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on May 7, 2018 11:01:05 GMT
And it was through Regan's economic policies that would later be a predecessor that fucked up the economy in 2008. According to who? That pinko Krugman? The kind of mortgage lending that sunk the economy didn’t happen until well after Reagan left office. Clinton and W did way, way more to set the 2008 collapse than Reagan did. Yeah, perhaps letting people use their welfare income to buy houses was a bad idea? |
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Post by scipioafricanus on May 7, 2018 11:04:35 GMT
According to my university studies in Modern History. I think your university has a bit of a skewered version of history. I get that a state run university in a largely socialist nation wouldn’t want to attribute economic prosperity to brash, big dick swinging, dyed in the wool capitalist, but blaming the 2008 on Reagan is flat wrong. Reaganomics curbed a decade of inflation and joblessness and saved the US economy. Find out the background of your professors Balder; they might have an agenda. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on May 7, 2018 11:09:03 GMT
I think your university has a bit of a skewered version of history. I get that a state run university in a largely socialist nation wouldn’t want to attribute economic prosperity to brash, big dick swinging, dyed in the wool capitalist, but blaming the 2008 on Reagan is flat wrong. Reaganomics curbed a decade of inflation and joblessness and saved the US economy. I don't think it's skewered. Reagan wasn't a bad president at all, hell, he might even be one of the best ones the US ever had, but letting the banks run themselves so loosely was ONE of the things that led to 2008. Clinton is another reason. Look up red line mortgages. Banks were encouraged (ie forced to or the government would sue them) to give mortgages for homes to people who couldn't afford them. As a result, they had to find a way to make pay off these questionable loan practices, so they started to sell the paper in back securities. That got the ball rolling. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on May 7, 2018 11:11:00 GMT
Cervantes In the US, the 90s was a significant improvement for environmental awareness compared to the 80s, but I don't know if the same was true for Brazil. Nowadays, it seems like every country EXCEPT the US is becoming progressively more environmentally aware. Captain Planet is the reason you give? Oh come on now...   |
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Post by Balder on May 7, 2018 11:58:46 GMT
I think your university has a bit of a skewered version of history. I get that a state run university in a largely socialist nation wouldn’t want to attribute economic prosperity to brash, big dick swinging, dyed in the wool capitalist, but blaming the 2008 on Reagan is flat wrong. Reaganomics curbed a decade of inflation and joblessness and saved the US economy. Find out the background of your professors Balder ; they might have an agenda. PhD in Norwegian politics in the Artic (meaning Greenland and Svalbard). I don't that is a bad agenda. |
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Post by Cervantes on May 7, 2018 12:40:38 GMT
Cervantes In the US, the 90s was a significant improvement for environmental awareness compared to the 80s, but I don't know if the same was true for Brazil. Nowadays, it seems like every country EXCEPT the US is becoming progressively more environmentally aware. Captain Planet is the reason you give? Oh come on now... Oh man, I tried so hard to like this cartoon when I was a kid. But it sucked. |
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Post by leaon79s on May 7, 2018 13:29:38 GMT
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Post by stratogustav on May 7, 2018 14:34:43 GMT
So you are saying G.I. Joe, Transformers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, DC Comics, Marvel Comics, Star Trek, Star Wars, and video games are more mainstream and socially acceptable among adults than they used to be?
Well, I don't think it is enough. We want He-Man, ThunderCats, SilverHawks, and Ulysses 31 to have a comeback as well. Plus I want 60s and 70s stuff too, more Godzilla, more Ultraman, more Mazinger Z, more Heidi, and more Candy Candy. But no Street Racer please, there is better Tatsunoko stuff out there.
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Post by cobretti on May 7, 2018 16:58:48 GMT
According to who? That pinko Krugman? The kind of mortgage lending that sunk the economy didn’t happen until well after Reagan left office. Clinton and W did way, way more to set the 2008 collapse than Reagan did. Yeah, perhaps letting people use their welfare income to buy houses was a bad idea? Hell, in the mid 2000s all you needed to qualify for a subprime mortgage on a $250,000 home was a pulse. |
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Post by stratogustav on May 7, 2018 19:16:12 GMT
90s are going to start to hit sooner or later. We already had a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers movie, the Super Nintendo Classic is out, and now Disney owns X-Men. So it is all coming together. Let's also not forget that technically shows like Dragon Ball Z are 80s' shows in Japan, they are 90s' shows pretty much everywhere else. Maybe Ranma 1/2, Samurai X, and Sailor Moon don't have as much presence but Dragon Ball Super is as popular as it is because of 90s kids. Also there is always Pokémon. The only thing that is sad is that even though Knights Of The Zodiac was Dragon Ball Z levels of popular in many places, made in 1986, it didn't hit U.S. until 2003, with the worse translation you can ever imagine. Not only they removed all the emotional background music of the show and substituted it for something else, they also censored everything to the point of mutilating the story. They made the characters use a dialogue as if they were kindergarten kids, with ridiculous wording, and lines, just because Pokémon was still popular. So the show was obviously doomed from the start, and the translation was cancelled not even half way into the show. It sucks because English speaking audiences did not get to enjoy one of the most stellar shows ever made. I even started collecting the first 4 volumes, but I couldn't make myself to continue because it was simply too painful to watch how they destroyed such an incredible show.  |
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Post by scipioafricanus on May 7, 2018 22:13:55 GMT
Find out the background of your professors Balder ; they might have an agenda. PhD in Norwegian politics in the Artic (meaning Greenland and Svalbard). I don't that is a bad agenda. Norwegian politics might not be quite informed on the American experience; plus you can learn the wrong things over one's life. Poli-Sci is a big one; if you find a professor using the Communism <-----> Fascism scale, he is wrong. In my college days, I corrected (with ample evidence) two well known professors that are accredited in their fields (they had to change their lectures as a result). |
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Post by Spirit Bomb on May 8, 2018 2:01:25 GMT
Cervantes In the US, the 90s was a significant improvement for environmental awareness compared to the 80s, but I don't know if the same was true for Brazil. Nowadays, it seems like every country EXCEPT the US is becoming progressively more environmentally aware. Captain Planet is the reason you give? Oh come on now... The show itself may not have been that great, but you can't fault the god-tier intro (which was so obviously outsourced to a high-end anime studio that it's actually funny): Good luck finding 2D american animation that's anywhere near as good. |
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Even though I kind of assumed that was how things were heading in Brazil lately, since we lost most government funding in 2016 (via Trump election) which was one of the primary sources of funds for our environmental organizations which are trying to protect the rainforests in South/central America. Not to mention that the US has the highest rate of meat consumption of any developed country on Earth, and pretty much every fast food company on Earth is headquartered here (which are the ones who buys the beef your country produces).
