scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Sept 10, 2018 10:40:14 GMT
psssst... Genesis and Sega Saturn were pretty good. I never said they weren't. In fact I never mentioned those consoles. What are you referring to? controller's d-pad
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 10, 2018 11:25:48 GMT
I never said they weren't. In fact I never mentioned those consoles. What are you referring to? controller's d-pad I still don't understand. The genesis and Saturn (model 2) controllers have the best D-pads I've ever used. I've often said this in the past. What's your point?
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Sept 10, 2018 22:26:59 GMT
Well it's pretty much universally accepted that the pre-Xbox One D-pads are garbage, and I've never heard someone compare the gamecube controller's to it until you did just now. psssst... Genesis and Sega Saturn were pretty good. Your usual hyperbolic statement that "it's pretty much universally accepted that pre-Xbox One D-pads are garbage" would refer to all controllers prior to the Xbone so that includes Genesis and Saturn controllers. And, of course, you are incorrect because the Genesis and Saturn D-pads are pretty good as I stated.
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Post by Armored Core Raven on Sept 11, 2018 10:11:30 GMT
In my opinion the steering cross is by very very far the best part of the GameCube controller, unlike the Xbox and Dreamcast controllers it's very accurate, just the Dual Shock 2 controller's steering cross.
Sadly this is where the positive things I have to say about it ends.
It's located in the wrong place on the controller, where the left analog stick should be, meaning it forced away the left analog stick to the wrong place as well as a result making the analog stick harder to use as it's beyond the very far reach of your thumb making all upper left analog stick movement inaccurate and uncomfortable, a typical case of one seemingly minor problem creating a far worse one as a chain reaction.
It's impractically small, indented into the controller and it's little edges are pretty sharp and become painfully uncomfortable after a very short time of use.
It's difficult to get a good feel for it when it's indented like that, making it hard to use and reach as you have to dig into the hole it's buried in to make it work, and any little thing that shouldn't be a problem, like not having your fingernails cut painfully short or simply not having childishly small thumbs will make it almost impossible to use efficiently as you simply won't be able to get in there properly.
Along with the official Microsoft Xbox 360 default controller it's the worst controller of all time and I absolutely hate it, which is why I got a PS2 converter for my GameCube (and Xbox, it's a split converter that works on both) and a third party controller for my Xbox 360, so I could actually enjoy the games those two machines have on offer.
I give it a 2/5 as at least the accuracy in itself is good, and it's still by far the best part of the entire controller, it's just a shame everything else about it and the rest of the entire controller is absolute garbage and completely unusable.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 11, 2018 11:45:33 GMT
psssst... Genesis and Sega Saturn were pretty good. Your usual hyperbolic statement that "it's pretty much universally accepted that pre-Xbox One D-pads are garbage" would refer to all controllers prior to the Xbone so that includes Genesis and Saturn controllers. And, of course, you are incorrect because the Genesis and Saturn D-pads are pretty good as I stated. I meant to say all the pre-Xbox One XBOX d-pads are garbage. As in, just the original Xbox and Xbox 360 D-pads, not any D-pad that came before the Xbox One. The latter would be an absolutely ridiculous statement.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 11, 2018 11:54:05 GMT
Well it's pretty much universally accepted that the pre-Xbox One D-pads are garbage, and I've never heard someone compare the gamecube controller's to it until you did just now. I used to play Sonic 3 everyday after school for years as a kid on Sonic Mega Collection for Gamecube, and that little D-pad never acted fishy, never screwed up. Not once. I'm not sure if the controller you play on was bought used and is of crap condition or maybe you're using a clone/imitation controller you bought off Ebay, but I gurantee that is not how the official Nintendo GC controller D-pads feel. I've noticed this is a common type of assumption with you. Someone doesn't share your experience, so they must have been doing it wrong, and you consider your opinions to be universal. Someone doesn't revere Melee to the same near-religious degree you do? They have must have been playing it wrong. Someone has a different opinion of a controller? There must have been something wrong with the controller they used. If you wanted to start a discussion about how great the GameCube controller was with no dissenting opinions, perhaps that should have been in the thread title. The GameCube controller is a decent one in my opinion, marred by what I consider to be a d-pad that was a bit small and mushy. I owned several (original and wavebirds) on my original system many years ago and still have one of each. I'm glad you had a fine experience with it, but you don't seem interested in a discussion so I'll just leave it at that. Can you really blame me for being dumbfounded this time? For me this is like an atheist witnessing the second coming of Christ, or learning that you were adopted and the woman you thought was your birth mother is actually a transvestite man, or something like that. It's only natural that I would initially be in denial over this. Please show some empathy.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Sept 11, 2018 23:38:47 GMT
Your usual hyperbolic statement that "it's pretty much universally accepted that pre-Xbox One D-pads are garbage" would refer to all controllers prior to the Xbone so that includes Genesis and Saturn controllers. And, of course, you are incorrect because the Genesis and Saturn D-pads are pretty good as I stated. I meant to say all the pre-Xbox One XBOX d-pads are garbage. As in, just the original Xbox and Xbox 360 D-pads, not any D-pad that came before the Xbox One. The latter would be an absolutely ridiculous statement.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 12, 2018 15:00:50 GMT
In my opinion the steering cross is by very very far the best part of the GameCube controller, unlike the Xbox and Dreamcast controllers it's very accurate, just the Dual Shock 2 controller's steering cross. Sadly this is where the positive things I have to say about it ends. It's located in the wrong place on the controller, where the left analog stick should be, meaning it forced away the left analog stick to the wrong place as well as a result making the analog stick harder to use as it's beyond the very far reach of your thumb making all upper left analog stick movement inaccurate and uncomfortable, a typical case of one seemingly minor problem creating a far worse one as a chain reaction. It's impractically small, indented into the controller and it's little edges are pretty sharp and become painfully uncomfortable after a very short time of use. It's difficult to get a good feel for it when it's indented like that, making it hard to use and reach as you have to dig into the hole it's buried in to make it work, and any little thing that shouldn't be a problem, like not having your fingernails cut painfully short or simply not having childishly small thumbs will make it almost impossible to use efficiently as you simply won't be able to get in there properly. Along with the official Microsoft Xbox 360 default controller it's the worst controller of all time and I absolutely hate it, which is why I got a PS2 converter for my GameCube (and Xbox, it's a split converter that works on both) and a third party controller for my Xbox 360, so I could actually enjoy the games those two machines have on offer. I give it a 2/5 as at least the accuracy in itself is good, and it's still by far the best part of the entire controller, it's just a shame everything else about it and the rest of the entire controller is absolute garbage and completely unusable. The most detailed post yet on this thread. Thank you, Raven. Always enjoy hearing your opinions even though I don't always agree with them. Cervantes What's your opinion on the GC's D-pad? I remember hearing you say that Nintendo's D-pads are the second best in the industry after Sega's, so I'm curious.
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Post by Cervantes on Sept 12, 2018 17:52:36 GMT
Spirit Bomb - I've never used a GC controller! I know, I know... I mostly skipped Nintendo after the N64, except for their portables and dabbling a bit with the Wii (I have emulated a few GC games, though).
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 13, 2018 14:09:25 GMT
Spirit Bomb - I've never used a GC controller! I know, I know... I mostly skipped Nintendo after the N64, except for their portables and dabbling a bit with the Wii (I have emulated a few GC games, though). What controller do you use when playing emulated GC games?
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Post by Cervantes on Sept 13, 2018 17:20:21 GMT
Spirit Bomb - None, as I haven't emulated GC games since... 2010 or so. I don't remember what controller I used at the time, it was probably one similar to a PS2 controller. I emulated very few games for very little time anyway, it was just out of curiosity: I remember playing the GC Zeldas, Metroid Prime and Killer 7, maybe one or two more games. I never got very interested in the GC exclusives; to me, it was below the Dreamcast, PS2 and Xbox in that generation.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Sept 13, 2018 18:20:56 GMT
Spirit Bomb - None, as I haven't emulated GC games since... 2010 or so. I don't remember what controller I used at the time, it was probably one similar to a PS2 controller. I emulated very few games for very little time anyway, it was just out of curiosity: I remember playing the GC Zeldas, Metroid Prime and Killer 7, maybe one or two more games. I never got very interested in the GC exclusives; to me, it was below the Dreamcast, PS2 and Xbox in that generation. Some of the GC exclusives, specifically Melee, are difficult to get into and fully enjoy. With that said, Melee wouldn't have the enormous competitive scene it has today if it weren't for the octogonal-style (semi arcade style) joysticks and high build quality of the controller. It would be impossible to play Melee at a competitive level with a Dualshock or Xbox controller. A lot of the GC exclusives benefit from being played with an official GC controller. I can understand if the high price tags of the first party games and controllers for it would scare you off, though. That's one of the biggest complaints about collecting for the Gamecube. Just another reason why Nintendo should revamp the Virtual Console for the Switch and start re-releasing GC games.
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Post by leaon79s on Sept 20, 2018 3:43:08 GMT
Truthfully, I never liked the Nintendo cross, at least not after experiencing the Sega or Sony versions. And I cannot say any differently for the Gamecube iteration.
But... I found the original Wii one tolerable for some reason. Maybe because you could spread the wiimote and nunchuck wire over your lap and rest them on either sides of your body when playing non-motion controlled games... Very relaxing ironically, for a system that was supposedly touted to get you up and moving...
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Apr 30, 2019 17:50:18 GMT
Well guys, I've got some bad news for you. I played some Capcom vs SNK 2 EO on the Gamecube for the first time two nights ago and it turns out that the Gamecube controller's little d-pad is just as responsive as I predicted it would be. Small? Sure, but still perfectly responsive. I had absolutely no trouble consistently pulling off special moves, and this was done on the most worn controller in my possession. I really hate being right all the time, but hey, what can you do when your name is MeleeMaestro? The button layout for the controller is definitely a major inconvenience for Capcom fighters though, so I'll give you guys that. I don't understand why console makers did away with the six-button face layout some 5th gen controllers had.
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Post by stratogustav on May 1, 2019 4:23:58 GMT
6-button face controllers are cool. I really miss those.
Nintendo D-Pads used to be superior all the way until the Wii despite the bad ergonomics. Sega and Sony could never compete, even if they had better ergonomics.
Wii U, and Switch on the other hand, not so much. The Wii U one is like any Sony D-Pad, and the Switch doesn't even have a proper one unless you get a Pro controller.
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