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Post by dschult3 on Mar 11, 2019 3:42:32 GMT
Have you heard the latest video game rumor?
I don't know what to think about this, since I believe consoles are on the way out. It is interesting, to say the least.
What would they call it?
The Dreamcast 2?
The Chromecast?
The MegaGoogle?
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 11, 2019 5:07:04 GMT
That Google is supposed to release a streaming console, that is known for some time. This idea of a partnership with Sega is certainly just wishful thinking (I mean, Sega isn't a very big deal nowadays and would hardly make a difference in a partnership for a new console).
As for a Google console, I'm either expecting a streaming machine (a new OnLive) or another Android box (a new Ouya). Those are not very good prospects, unless Google is really serious about it and wants to throw their weight and a lot of money behind it.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 11, 2019 10:41:19 GMT
If Sega launches a new console they should lead with Thunder Force, and a remaster of all the important Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast games.
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 20, 2019 7:17:11 GMT
Google announced the Google Stadia and it's a streaming thing (no word on Sega having anything to do with it). So here we go to another OnLive-like service.
I hate the very idea of these things: you buy games that you don't own - if the service ends, you lose all your games; it makes preservation of games impossible (when a licensed game is pulled out, it disappears forever); from a pc perspective, there's no possibility for mods or to edit .ini files or adjust any configuration outside the games, since no files are on your machine; you have to be always online - if the internet goes down, no games; because of video compression, the graphics look worse; you need spotless, reliable and fast internet connection without data caps, a luxury for very few people, and even then you need to live very close to a server - otherwise you get lag even on a fast connection; most importantly, even on the best possibilities you will still have lag on single player games - this makes playing any precision or fast-reaction genres impossible, so say goodbye to 2d platformers, shmups, fighting games and character action titles (Devil May Cry, Nier Automata and the like).
It's also important to remember that Google is known to drop their projects: failures like Allo, Google Glass and Google Fiber paint a dark future for Stadia. Just imagine spending a lot of money on games and then it gets shutdown and takes all your games with it.
So even if their perfected the technology (which they didn't), it's terrible on principle.
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Post by dschult3 on Mar 21, 2019 0:16:58 GMT
Google announced the Google Stadia and it's a streaming thing (no word on Sega having anything to do with it). So here we go to another OnLive-like service. I hate the very idea of these things: you buy games that you don't own - if the service ends, you lose all your games; it makes preservation of games impossible (when a licensed game is pulled out, it disappears forever); from a pc perspective, there's no possibility for mods or to edit .ini files or adjust any configuration outside the games, since no files are on your machine; you have to be always online - if the internet goes down, no games; because of video compression, the graphics look worse; you need spotless, reliable and fast internet connection without data caps, a luxury for very few people, and even then you need to live very close to a server - otherwise you get lag even on a fast connection; most importantly, even on the best possibilities you will still have lag on single player games - this makes playing any precision or fast-reaction genres impossible, so say goodbye to 2d platformers, shmups, fighting games and character action titles (Devil May Cry, Nier Automata and the like). It's also important to remember that Google is known to drop their projects: failures like Allo, Google Glass and Google Fiber paint a dark future for Stadia. Just imagine spending a lot of money on games and then it gets shutdown and takes all your games with it. So even if their perfected the technology (which they didn't), it's terrible on principle. No Sega = No customers.
I agree with your summary. It is an outstanding idea, though. This would bring gaming to everyone who can't afford the latest system. Plus it is quite versatile. Pausing my game on my computer and starting it up again on my phone? That's awesome. However, if the internet lags at all, then this is just a waste of time. Internet reliability has not been perfected, so it won't get far until we can achieve a solid internet connection globally.
I'm also a bit leery about Google, the king of YouTube idiocy. You are right about them dropping projects (Don't forget Google Plus!) They censor quite a bit with their loose legalese rhetoric, and they get away with it due to their massive size. We don't need more of that in the modern era. The days of Tipper Gore and video game censorship should stay in the 90s. I don't want them in charge of my gaming.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 21, 2019 17:27:21 GMT
I wrote to them personally telling them that they should launch Stadia with a remaster of Sonic '06. I hope they do. so say goodbye to 2d platformers, shmups, fighting games and character action titles (Devil May Cry, Nier Automata and the like). To be fair, and to give them some credit, it's basically like a renting service, similar to what Blockbuster was in the late 90s. In the 90s you would buy the Konami, and Capcom stuff, but you would rent stuff by Acclaim, and the like. The same can be said today. We want to buy Ace Combat, Devil May Cry, and Sekiro aka Tenchu, but we would rent something like The Division 2, Tom Clancy, or whatever Far Cry game is out there.
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 21, 2019 21:11:50 GMT
stratogustav - Yeah, it might be a good way to at least test the games or play them for a weekend, that I can see working (as long as it is one of the genres that doesn't suffer much from input lag). It's just when people try to sell it as the next step for games that I get really worried.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 21, 2019 22:21:39 GMT
stratogustav - Yeah, it might be a good way to at least test the games or play them for a weekend, that I can see working (as long as it is one of the genres that doesn't suffer much from input lag). It's just when people try to sell it as the next step for games that I get really worried. Yeah, it has some potential to eventually become the standard, but that could take many years from now. We simply don't have the Internet infrastructure in the West to support something like that. Even today, after the success of streaming movies online, physical copies still sell on Blu-rays, and I doubt gaming will be the exception for that. I still think it is pretty remarkably they can pull off almost Netflix numbers while streaming games instead of video. That's voodoo stuff right there. It is so out there, that I'm still a little skeptical about it, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm not excited for it because it is not something that benefits me, but I'm sure it can be useful for many people.
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Post by dschult3 on Mar 21, 2019 22:30:44 GMT
stratogustav - Yeah, it might be a good way to at least test the games or play them for a weekend, that I can see working (as long as it is one of the genres that doesn't suffer much from input lag). It's just when people try to sell it as the next step for games that I get really worried. Yeah, it has some potential to eventually become the standard, but that could take many years from now. We simply don't have the Internet infrastructure in the West to support something like that. I still think it is pretty remarkably they can pull off almost Netflix numbers while streaming games instead of video. That's voodoo stuff right there. Only the richest countries in the world will be able to do this, so I think physical media is necessary. It's like Blockbuster Video. They were thriving in rural areas for decades after they were leaving urban environments.
As for Netflix voodoo, that isn't as hard as gaming, since the stream doesn't rely on instant feedback from the user. Buffering in a game that requires instant feedback just kills it for me. I'm excited about this, because it could mean bringing in a greater audience for gaming in the world. However, I'm really skeptical, to say the least.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 22, 2019 3:21:17 GMT
As for Netflix voodoo, that isn't as hard as gaming, since the stream doesn't rely on instant feedback from the user. Exactly why it sounds like black magic. They were supposedly gaming at 4K and 60 FPS with a download connection of 30 mbps. That is literally insane.
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Post by dschult3 on Aug 27, 2019 22:50:38 GMT
Apparently, Google Stadia isn't a hidden gem:
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 28, 2019 3:11:46 GMT
Yeah, most people data plans would make it too expensive for the average player.
At that point you can use that money to buy a decent PC instead.
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Post by dschult3 on Aug 28, 2019 23:21:17 GMT
Yeah, most people data plans would make it too expensive for the average player. At that point you can use that money to buy a decent PC instead. I agree. But to be fair, I wonder how much bandwidth it takes to play a game in regular HD. He was focusing on 4K streams.
I'm out either way, though.
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 29, 2019 0:59:40 GMT
I agree. But to be fair, I wonder how much bandwidth it takes to play a game in regular HD. He was focusing on 4K streams. I'm out either way, though. Yeah, but 4K TVs are very cheap now, so almost everyone has at least one. I imagine most people will want to use that option, and once they see their bill it is going to be bad news for them. Who knows? Maybe data plans will become better, but I doubt it. If anything they are more likely to get worse.
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