MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jun 24, 2019 0:42:55 GMT
A few months ago when I was browsing old CGR reviews, I found this:
I wasn't following CGR back when he posted this, but if I was I would never have subscribed to him in the first place. Before you guys say anything, PLEASE watch the review and decide for yourself if his political rhetoric is appropriate.
SPOLIER: In the review, he expresses his hatred of the Navi and says that he wishes the humans had won the fight on Pandora and stole all the planet's resources and driven the Navi to extinction.
Maybe he was trying to be funny, but I didn't laugh. As someone who has been following CGR since 2008 it's obvious to me that Mark is a conservative, and normally I wouldn't have a problem with this. I mean, James Rolfe and Clint of LGR seem to be conservatives as well and I don't have anything against them. But the political rhetoric Mark uses in this video crosses the line for me, especially considering he sounds positively serious in the review. Now you could argue "oh but Melee, he was just trying to be funny and entertain". Well I don't care what anyone else thinks, I will never see genocide jokes as "funny", and as an environmentalist I am shocked by the things he said in the review. So if his intent was just to be funny and entertain, he should have thought his dialogue through a little better, but I don't think that was the case. He is a materialistic american 80s ("Reagan era") kid who graduated from business school. I think it's safe to assume he was speaking genuinely and is a far right conservative.
I haven't been subscribed to CGR since he left Youtube, so there's no action I need to take about this now. But I figured I would bring awareness of his disgusting opinions to the pub members here.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Jun 24, 2019 4:20:43 GMT
Honestly I think you're reading too much into this. First off, how is James conservative? He has never expressed any political opinion as far as I know. Secondly, Mark gas always made jokes like these. If Mark doesn't like a character in a movie, he always expresses irrational hatred against them as a joke. Take a look at E.T.. He hates that character and movie and regularly makes jokes about Star Wars ships blowing up E.T..
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jun 24, 2019 11:07:51 GMT
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 24, 2019 22:29:19 GMT
The problem with the blue people in this planet is that they live in denial. They want to stay the same, and don't have any aspirations.
It is important to be in touch with nature, but it is also important to fulfill our purpose which is to overcome our dependency to it, to rise above as they call it.
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MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jun 26, 2019 16:02:58 GMT
Honestly I think you're reading too much into this. First off, how is James conservative? He has never expressed any political opinion as far as I know. Secondly, Mark gas always made jokes like these. If Mark doesn't like a character in a movie, he always expresses irrational hatred against them as a joke. Take a look at E.T.. He hates that character and movie and regularly makes jokes about Star Wars ships blowing up E.T.. I didn't say James was a conservative. I'm simply speculating. You'd be surprised how many Trump voters there are in the US, and celebrities are experts and concealing their true selves. It took years for people to find out that Jon Tron was a racist. The problem is that Mark didn't express any rational reason for his hatred of the fauna of Pandora. It didn't sound like he was joking because it wasn't funny. This belligerent pro-military attitude he takes towards film characters he dislikes has never struck me as anything other than highly conservative, and I would never condone the shit he said in that video. He's made racist remarks, too. Like in his review of Capcom Vs SNK 2, he mocks Sagat for taking the train to get around instead of owning his own car. Yeah, I don't care if he's a conservative or democrat or independent or whatever. I will never support this materialistic idiot again.
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jun 26, 2019 22:41:01 GMT
From the guy that insulted Mark's kids/family on the old forum, I am sure he doesn't care.
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centipede
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Post by centipede on Jun 27, 2019 8:40:33 GMT
MeleeMonk The difference between the Na'vi and the Serbs/Jews/(inserted persecuted people here) is that the Na'vi are fictitious. I mean, doesn't expressing burning hatred for a fictitious. mostly harmless hippy alien species sound silly to you? Mark has always been mildly edgy like that. Also, if you twist ANYTHING too much, then ANYTHING can be made offensive. You could paint a blond woman and be called racist for it not being an Afro-American chick. A Boys-Only club could be called sexist because no girls allowed. There could be a race up three flights of stairs and have it called ableist against people with no legs, or fat porkers who only get 3 hours of exercise per month (or something). DO NOT sweat the very fine stuff or you will be perpetually offended. Life sucks enough without finding new things to be outraged over. And nobody likes SJWs, so don't be one. Also, what's so bad about Sagat catching the train? Have you ever driven to the city? It's a f***ing nightmare, which is why I take the train into there instead. Is it one of those "black people like chicken and watermelon" things that non-Americans don't understand?
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Post by Cervantes on Jun 28, 2019 4:54:42 GMT
Also, what's so bad about Sagat catching the train? Have you ever driven to the city? It's a f***ing nightmare, which is why I take the train into there instead. Is it one of those "black people like chicken and watermelon" things that non-Americans don't understand? I don't get it either. Especially since Sagat isn't even black, but thailandese. By the way he is talking in the subtitles, I think the joke was more about he being kind of a brute (which has nothing to do with his nationality/race, but by how he is visually depicted in the game) and Chun-li being materialistic? Also, the Avatar thing is just a joke about badly written fictional people in a terrible movie. I really can't see how it's possible to read more on that, especially since the comment is very tongue in cheek (even if Mark was talking about real people, it's obvious he is being sarcastic about it). Quite frankly, I was so bored by the movie and its Mary Sue romantic-idealized fictional race that I was just wishing that the entire planet exploded just so it ended already. Goddamn, did that movie needed to be almost 3-hours long??? Not even Sigourney Weaver could save it. Maybe they should also have brought the Aliens and let them kill everybody and win. (On a more academic note: Avatar brings back a lot of tropes belonging to the "good savages" seen in most foundational romantic literatures in Latin America from the 19th century, which in turn were copying James Fenimore Cooper's novels - and those novels were racist as shit, so if anything, Avatar itself is part of a very racist lineage of fictions that "resolve" the conflict between natives and europeans through the "power of love", except that this "love" means forgetting the real conflict and sexually submitting the "good female savage" to the superiority of the almighty white guy, which in turn is depicted as more capable than the entire tribe combined and understands the tribe's own traditions better than themselves, saving the day - isn't that the plot of Avatar? Yeah, Avatar is terrible even on an academic level.)
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Post by Guilion on Jun 30, 2019 5:28:37 GMT
I think my bias is showing because I agree with Mark here, having Avatar with the Na'vi winning is one of my biggest gripes with the movie.
I find Cameron's handling of native people misguided at best and insulting at worst; There is a reason why Dances with wolves works despite all of its' historical inaccuracies and Avatar does not but I honestly don't wanna go into detail about it.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Jul 24, 2019 18:26:11 GMT
I discovered this while watching CGR Surpreme Vol. 2. One of my favorite reviews from CGR yet. Hilarious as fuck, and it fits this thread perfectly. I too want to live in Atlantis.
I'll wait excitedly for MeleeMonk 's response.
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MeleeMonk
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jul 24, 2019 20:04:44 GMT
I discovered this while watching CGR Surpreme Vol. 2. One of my favorite reviews from CGR yet. Hilarious as fuck, and it fits this thread perfectly. I too want to live in Atlantis.
For some reason I have problems embedding it using my phone. I'll wait excitedly for MeleeMonk 's response. I hadn't seen this one until just now. Even though he tried to make it sound like he was joking when he endorsed global warming in the video, the fact that he outright expresses dislike of paying taxes when he says something along the lines of "Do you have to pay taxes in Atlantis? No? I wanna live there!" in the review is proof that he's a greedy american conservative who doesn't care about supporting the people or services of the country he lives in. Fun fact: outside of a handful of small, corrupt, oil-rich middle eastern countries like Qatar, America has by far the lowest taxation rates of any first world country. No wonder we have the most billionaires of any country on Earth. My new rule of thumb when it comes to content creators: If they're american, DO NOT SUPPORT THEM! Our democrats are conservative by European standards, and our conservatives are the equivalent of Hoggish Greedly from Captain Planet; ignorant, nationalistic assholes who are so profoundly dysfunctional and despicable that they are practically self parody. So regardless of what their political stance is, it's a lose-lose scenario in my book. Best just not to support them at all. I deeply regret supporting Mark financially in the past by watching his show, but at least now I've learned my lesson and know better. Bonus point: I've noticed an easy way to tell if an american is a conservative: if they refuse to share their political beliefs, then chances are good that they are a conservative. And remember how Mark declined to express his political views when someone asked him who he'd vote for in the 2016 presidential race on the Q&A section of the official forums back in the day? American politics are so intensely despised on a global scale that it's considered career suicide for american entertainers to come out as conservative in today's world. This is why the only modern entertainers who are open about their political beliefs are democrats like Seth Mcfarlane, since it guarantees that audiences outside the USA can't take issue with their politics or the political direction of their writing/humor.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Jul 24, 2019 20:11:36 GMT
I discovered this while watching CGR Surpreme Vol. 2. One of my favorite reviews from CGR yet. Hilarious as fuck, and it fits this thread perfectly. I too want to live in Atlantis.
For some reason I have problems embedding it using my phone. I'll wait excitedly for MeleeMonk 's response. I hadn't seen this one until just now. Even though he tried to make it sound like he was joking when he endorsed global warming in the video, the fact that he outright expresses dislike of paying taxes when he says something along the lines of "Do you have to pay taxes in Atlantis? No? I wanna live there!" in the review is proof that he's a greedy american conservative who doesn't care about supporting the people or services of the country he lives in. Fun fact: outside of a handful of small, corrupt, oil-rich middle eastern countries like Qatar, America has by far the lowest taxation rates of any first world country. No wonder we have the most billionaires of any country on Earth. My new rule of thumb when it comes to content creators: If they're american, DO NOT SUPPORT THEM! Our democrats are conservative by European standards, and our conservatives are the equivalent of Hoggish Greedly from Captain Planet; ignorant, nationalistic assholes who are so profoundly dysfunctional and despicable that they are practically self parody. So regardless of what their political stance is, it's a lose-lose scenario in my book. Best just not to support them at all. I deeply regret supporting Mark financially in the past by watching his show, but at least now I've learned my lesson and know better. Bonus point: I've noticed an easy way to tell if an american is a conservative: if they refuse to share their political beliefs, then chances are good that they are a conservative. And remember how Mark declined to express his political views when someone asked him who he'd vote for in the 2016 presidential race on the Q&A section of the official forums back in the day? American politics are so intensely despised on a global scale that it's considered career suicide for american entertainers to come out as conservative in today's world. This is why the only modern entertainers who are open about their political beliefs are democrats like Seth Mcfarlane, since it guarantees that audiences outside the USA can't take issue with their politics or the political direction of their writing/humor. Haha, CGR rules.
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Post by stratogustav on Jul 24, 2019 21:45:29 GMT
That all sounds like discrimination because of his political preferences. Any kind of discrimination is unacceptable. If we can't tolerate others point of view within reason then we can't have a society.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 24, 2019 22:43:13 GMT
That all sounds like discrimination because of his political preferences. Any kind of discrimination is unacceptable. If we can't tolerate others point of view within reason then we can't have a society. And you wonder why Dan left...
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 24, 2019 22:56:36 GMT
I discovered this while watching CGR Surpreme Vol. 2. One of my favorite reviews from CGR yet. Hilarious as fuck, and it fits this thread perfectly. I too want to live in Atlantis.
For some reason I have problems embedding it using my phone. I'll wait excitedly for MeleeMonk 's response. I hadn't seen this one until just now. Even though he tried to make it sound like he was joking when he endorsed global warming in the video, the fact that he outright expresses dislike of paying taxes when he says something along the lines of "Do you have to pay taxes in Atlantis? No? I wanna live there!" in the review is proof that he's a greedy american conservative who doesn't care about supporting the people or services of the country he lives in. Fun fact: outside of a handful of small, corrupt, oil-rich middle eastern countries like Qatar, America has by far the lowest taxation rates of any first world country. No wonder we have the most billionaires of any country on Earth. My new rule of thumb when it comes to content creators: If they're american, DO NOT SUPPORT THEM! Our democrats are conservative by European standards, and our conservatives are the equivalent of Hoggish Greedly from Captain Planet; ignorant, nationalistic assholes who are so profoundly dysfunctional and despicable that they are practically self parody. So regardless of what their political stance is, it's a lose-lose scenario in my book. Best just not to support them at all. I deeply regret supporting Mark financially in the past by watching his show, but at least now I've learned my lesson and know better. Bonus point: I've noticed an easy way to tell if an american is a conservative: if they refuse to share their political beliefs, then chances are good that they are a conservative. And remember how Mark declined to express his political views when someone asked him who he'd vote for in the 2016 presidential race on the Q&A section of the official forums back in the day? American politics are so intensely despised on a global scale that it's considered career suicide for american entertainers to come out as conservative in today's world. This is why the only modern entertainers who are open about their political beliefs are democrats like Seth Mcfarlane, since it guarantees that audiences outside the USA can't take issue with their politics or the political direction of their writing/humor. Did you get a job yet or are you still stealing wi-fi from MacDonalds?
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