What could the Saturn have done?

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What could the Saturn have done? Dec 17, 2019 1:33:21 GMT via Tapatalk

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Post by stratogustav on Dec 17, 2019 1:33:21 GMT

I was trying to figure out what IPs could help the Saturn get on par at least with the Nintendo 64, since the PS1 was unreachable as a CD/VCD player.

I don't think even Sonic The Hedgehog could have helped it, despite being the IP that propelled the Genesis to success, and was lacking in the Saturn, it wouldn't have helped much, neither Phantasy Star would have.

I know that because Sonic Adventure didn't saved the Dreamcast, and also Phantasy Star Online didn't save the Dreamcast either.

So maybe Activision and Tony Hawk? Tony Hawk was on the Dreamcast, and it didn't helped. On top of that the Saturn had a lot of great sports titles, so EA alone wasn't it either. In fact Sega already had fame for having good sports titles since the Genesis.

Another thing is that Final Fantasy VII is one of the most expensive games ever made, so you would think a big budget game was the solution too, but no, that's not the case either. Shenmue is also one of the most expensive games ever made, and it didn't save the Dreamcast.

The reason why the PS1 succeeded was because of Namco, Square Soft, Enix, Konami, Capcom, and Polyphony.

The Saturn had it tough because even Nintendo had Rare. You would need to have IPs that would rival Ocarina Of Time, and GoldenEye.

Then the PS1 had Tekken, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, and their own stuff which was Gran Turismo. That's tough.

I guess Sega could have rivaled Namco, Virtua Fighter was already a competitor to Tekken, after all Virtua Fighter was the original.

Sega Rally and Daytona can easily defeat Ridge Racer.

After Burner can go against Ace Combat with some added budget.

Then Virtua Cop can take on Time Crisis.

But that's just one company.

In order to win they also need to take down Sony themselves, Square, Enix, Konami, and Capcom.

The Saturn needed survival horror games that would rival both Silent Hill and Resident Evil.

It also needed a sim racer in the scope of Gran Turismo, with a contemporary soundtrack.

On top of that they needed something that would fight against Metal Gear Solid too.

In terms of RPGs, even with Shining and Phantay Star together, Final Fantasy was not the only rival, they can add Panzer Dragoon Saga, but the PS1 definitely had numbers.

They had:

1996-08-31 Beyond The Beyond

1996-11-01 Suikoden

1996-09-20 Revelations Persona

1997-03-27 Vandal Hearts

1997-04-30 Wild Arms

1997-07-31 Ogre Battle

1997-09-07 Final Fantasy VII

1997-12-31 Alundra

1998-01-28 Final Fantasy Tactics

1998-03-31 Saga Frontier

1998-04-30 Breath Of Fire III

1998-06-30 Azure Dreams

1998-06-30 Granstream Saga

1998-08-07 Kartia Word Of Fate

1998-09-09 Parasite Eve

1998-09-30 Dragon Seeds

1998-09-30 Tales Of Destiny

1998-10-20 Xenogears

1998-10-31 Brave Fencer Musashi

1998-10-31 Brigandine

1998-11-30 Jade Cocoon

1998-??-?? Tactics Ogre

1999-01-31 Guardian's Crusade

1999-03-17 Legend Of Legaia

1999-03-31 Monster Seed

1999-05-28 Lunar Silver Star Story Complete

1999-05-31 Star Ocean Second Story

1999-09-09 Final Fantasy VIII

1999-09-29 Suikoden II

1999-09-30 Final Fantasy Anthology

1999-09-30 Grandia

1999-09-30 Thousand Arms

1999-11-30 Chocobo's Dungeon 2

1999-11-30 Koudelka

1999-11-30 Vandal Hearts II

2000-01-31 Saga Frontier 2

2000-02-29 Alundra 2

2000-02-29 Front Mission 3

2000-03-30 Rhapsody A Musical Adventure

2000-04-29 Vanguard Bandits

2000-04-30 Wild Arms 2

2000-05-15 Vagrant Story

2000-05-23 Digimon World

2000-06-06 Legend Of Mana

2000-06-11 Legend Of Dragoon

2000-07-18 Threads Of Fate

2000-08-15 Chrono Cross

2000-08-29 Valkyrie Profile

2000-09-02 Parasite Eve 2

2000-10-02 RPG Maker

2000-10-16 Dragon Valor

2000-10-31 Eternal Eyes

2000-11-13 Final Fantasy IX

2000-11-15 Torneko The Last Hope

2000-11-22 Harvest Moon Back To Nature

2000-11-28 Breath Of Fire IV

2000-12-15 Lunar II Eternal Blue Complete

2000-12-22 Persona II Eternal Punishment

2001-05-19 Digimon World 2

2001-06-01 Battle Hunter

2001-06-29 Final Fantasy Chronicles

2001-08-13 Saiyuki Journey West

2001-09-10 Tales Of Destiny II (Eternia)

2001-10-31 Dragon Warrior VII

2001-12-20 Hoshigami Ruining Blue Earth

2002-04-18 Arc The Lad Collection

2002-06-05 Digimon World 3

2003-04-08 Final Fantasy Origins

So I'm still trying to figure out that if I was Bernie Stolar what could I possibly do, and I can't think of anything.

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What could the Saturn have done? Dec 17, 2019 2:37:42 GMT

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Post by Bogard on Dec 17, 2019 2:37:42 GMT

Sega was a company that was doomed to fail. the saturn was built in a way which had the main goal that sega always tried to achieve which was to bring the arcade experience home, so it put a heavy emphasis on 2D capabilities on its hardware because that's what the arcade was producing at the time and did just that, but only in japan because Sega of USA tried to copy what ever the Ps1 did which was bringing out 3D games with great graphics, so Sega of America rejected most of the games released for the Saturn in japan that the consoles hardware was intended for which left the saturn in the west a console without games or even a identity of its own.

The Dreamcast did little to nothing wrong and is one of the greatest consoles ever made. but it was always under the shadow of the Ps2 with the DVD player capabilities and not to mention the millions of loyal fans Sony built up with the Ps1 that couldn't be convinced otherwise.

The Ps1 was the console that made what the console generations that came after it what they are today. Before the Ps1, consoles were considered as toys for kids that plug into the TV, and Sony changed that to a serious hobby for all ages.

I think if Sega waited and designed the Dreamcast to be as or even more powerful than the Ps2 it would of been on the same level as the gamecube and the main competitor for the gamecube and survived imo.

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Post by stratogustav on Dec 17, 2019 2:53:29 GMT

That is a good point. The lack of Japanese exclusives hurt the Saturn even more in the West. A lot more people would have learned of the awesomeness those 2D games were bringing.

Even the Dreamcast was leaving important games behind. For example Capcom Vs. SNK 2 was Japan exclusive on the Dreamcast, and that isn't a good thing.

scipioafricanus Swamp Ranger Sega Does What Nintendon't... except the 32X Posts: 3,567	What could the Saturn have done? Dec 17, 2019 14:05:56 GMT stratogustav likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by scipioafricanus on Dec 17, 2019 14:05:56 GMT Resident Evil came out on the Saturn.
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stratogustav Supreme Overlord Warrior with Bandana Posts: 7,460	What could the Saturn have done? Dec 18, 2019 21:45:33 GMT via Tapatalk Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by stratogustav on Dec 18, 2019 21:45:33 GMT scipioafricanus, yes that is right, and they even had extra content for Symphony Of The Night. All these things are the ones that make me wonder what went wrong, and I don't get it.

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Post by stratogustav on Dec 17, 2019 1:33:21 GMT

Post by Bogard on Dec 17, 2019 2:37:42 GMT

Post by stratogustav on Dec 17, 2019 2:53:29 GMT

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