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Post by dschult3 on Dec 29, 2019 2:06:56 GMT
Speaking of the monopoly mouse, this should be updated to include Star Wars.
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Post by stratogustav on Dec 29, 2019 2:20:03 GMT
In 1983, the Death Star was totally obliterated and vaporized. Chunks did not fall from the sky onto another planet. With that being said, the Skywalker story ended. The monopoly mouse cannot change that, no matter how much money they spend to pretend it didn't. Maybe the 1977 one? They were supposed to be huge, so I can still buy a chunk flew off by destiny's grace. By the way, talking about patches. I think I heard somewhere that the original Star Wars was patched too, while still on theaters, but I can't confirm this, I just vaguely remember someone mentioning it. |
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Post by Balder on Dec 29, 2019 12:38:24 GMT
In 1983, the Death Star was totally obliterated and vaporized. Chunks did not fall from the sky onto another planet. With that being said, the Skywalker story ended. The monopoly mouse cannot change that, no matter how much money they spend to pretend it didn't. I couldn't agree more. No matter how many shitty sequels they make and how many stratogustavs they buy, they will never convince that this is canon. These movies are so much worse than the prequels. So many plot holes and it takes a massive dump on the originals. |
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Post by dschult3 on Dec 29, 2019 14:35:05 GMT
...and how many stratogustavs they buy... Shots fired! |
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Post by dschult3 on Dec 29, 2019 14:44:55 GMT
These movies are so much worse than the prequels. So many plot holes and it takes a massive dump on the originals. I don't know if they're worse than the awful love story of part II. (I do like part III.)
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It does annoy me that two of my favorite movie series, Terminator and Star Wars, have been engulfed in a sea of garbage.
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Post by Balder on Dec 29, 2019 17:10:12 GMT
These movies are so much worse than the prequels. So many plot holes and it takes a massive dump on the originals. I don't know if they're worse than the awful love story of part II. (I do like part III.)
(Best emo voices I can conjure up in my head)
It does annoy me that two of my favorite movie series, Terminator and Star Wars, have been engulfed in a sea of garbage.
At least Attack of the Clones and the rest of the prequels had a vision and a coherent story behind them. |
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Post by Balder on Dec 29, 2019 17:11:02 GMT
...and how many stratogustavs they buy... Shots fired! It's just that these plot hole explanations are just as outlandish as the plot holes themselves. |
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Post by stratogustav on Dec 30, 2019 2:07:31 GMT
It's just that these plot hole explanations are just as outlandish as the plot holes themselves. As long as they are logical I don't see the issue with those explanations, specially in a franchise that is created based on those concepts in the first place. Wanting a mundane explanation for something that fits perfectly fine within the Jedi philosophy is counterproductive. J.J. did justice here. By the way, I had no idea he made Lost, now it makes sense why Star Wars news twists are so good now. Terminator on the other hand is a mess, killing John on the first 5 minutes was a massive mistake. I don't even know why Linda Hamilton agreed on participating in that vulgarity. |
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Post by dschult3 on Dec 30, 2019 2:51:12 GMT
I would like the new movies if Padme actually did live as the Emperor promised; however, she was a mutated undead evil monster Sith Lord. Out of revenge for the Romeo and Juliet like plot of the prequels, she decided to wreck havoc on the universe that abused Anakin's blind love for her. It would be a revenge film of universal proportions with a side of sci-fi mixed with horror. Unfortunately, what we got was crap on a stick. Killing all of our favorite characters while inserting new uninspired characters with plot holes the size of Jupiter just really turned me off. It's cool that stratogustav likes them. I hate it when people shit on stuff other people like, so I don't really want to go off here. As for me though, I'm just not a fan. I have only watched the movies because of my son, and that was a struggle for me, because I had to keep my deep desire to go all Mystery Theater 3000 locked up in my head. |
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Post by stratogustav on Dec 30, 2019 12:03:00 GMT
If it makes you feel better I didn't like that Anakin didn't return. I'm a huge fan of Anakin, and wanted him to have a presence as the genuine main character. I didn't care if they killed everyone else. Kill 'em all, it is cool by me.
The only ones I didn't want to get killed where 3PO, R2-D2, and Chewbacca, so it was nice they were the ones that survived, Lando was just a bonus.
I also didn't want them to kill the most important things of the Saga which are light sabers, tie fighters, star destroyers, and X-Wings.
They even kept remains of the Death Star, that was very significant for me, on top of that, they still have Naboo Starfighters, A-Wings, B-Wings, and Y-Wings. They even have Speedsters.
Also they kept John Williams which is the most important part, and the Millennium Falcon, and the storm troopers. Those things are Star Wars to me, not the Skywalkers, no Rei, no Finn, no Kylo Ren, not even Solo.
I like those characters, but they don't define the series to me, and to be fair I do like that they found a way to keep them through their ghosts. However the only character that was meaningful to me was Anakin, maybe because of the mask.
So there, I do have one disappointment. Also like I explained before, I see no plotholes because the Universe is full of plotholes if you try to define everything to what people consider objectivity.
To me whether in Star Wars, or in the real world, subjectivity is king. Yet, I was able to easily solve every single plothole with sounded logic, and reason, because the Jedi philosophy backs it up.
This is why Star Wars resonates with me, because my core philosophy is that of Shakespeare, and Super Mario Bros. 3: 1) The world is a stage, and 2) Nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so.
As long as Star Wars doesn't lose that, it is still the best film series ever produced, because it encopasses actual reality, as ironic as that is for a sci-fi film.
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Post by Balder on Dec 31, 2019 0:29:21 GMT
This video explains most of the bullshit in this movie. It's incredible how terrible this movie is written:
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Post by stratogustav on Dec 31, 2019 1:47:25 GMT
This video explains most of the bullshit in this movie. It's incredible how terrible this movie is written:
I saw that. I actually addressed all that criticism directly early during this thread. Most of those so called plotholes are just them not putting attention to the overall set pieces. Instead of repeating it, I'll quote myself: I have been seeing people online complaining about some plotholes, and I can't believe they can't see the obvious answers to these things. A lot of those plotholes are automatically solved because of prophecy, if prophecy is meant to transcend time, it means a lot of things are meant to be. For example it wasn't meant for Luke to find the dagger, but it was meant for Rei. It was meant for that ship to be abandoned on that rock, the crew of that ship probably died in those sands. It was also meant to be for Rei to fall on that exact spot. It was meant to be for the dagger to be designed that way, and for the piece of Death Star to land like that. All the characters are doing is discovering their story, not making it. Also people forget to mention the plothole of why the Sith didn't transfer to Rei if he got what he wanted. He got killed by Rei supposedly, but she only served as a mirror, she didn't kill him, he killed himself. He obviously didn't like Rei's parents, the movie made this very clear when he talked about them, he felt it wasn't worth it to continue living through his son, instead he preferred to live longer, and just wait for his grandaughter who was probably born already when he made that decision. That's pretty straightforward. About keeping the fleet in one place, it was obviously at purpose. He wanted to have something to show off to Rei, he wanted to impress her, and make easier her decision for her to accept her destiny as a Sith, he also planned her friends to come, that's why he announced himself to everyone, and he didn't want to kill them because he wanted to use them as bait for her to accept the offering. She is a Skywalker because she was raised with that vision, and having that vision is more important than having the blood. When she gets kids her genes have already been transformed based on her own life experience, and she can transfer that to her offspring. She doesn't even need to have her own kids. She can just teach that vision to someone, and continue the lineage that way. The sexual tension between Kylo Ren and Rei was obvious throughout the movies, I don't know how people didn't see this. It almost felt like the tension between a couple in an arranged marriage that already accepted it was inevitable for them to love each other. I still hope Finn gets to bang Rei in upcoming movies, he clearly likes her, and deserves some of that ass. Now that Kylo is dead she can do that. Lando is badass, but he didn't get all those people to help based on his own prestige alone, the Sith announced it. Also there was never an opportunity like this, where they will all be in one spot. A lot of people react when it is absolutely necessary, and this time the tech is probably far superior to make something like this happen. Plus everyone already knew what was going on because of that announcement, and it made it easier to organize. That planet was hard to reach because it is in a tricky location to spot, but once the location is spotted the hard way, anyone can easily hyperspace jump to their atmosphere, which is likely a newly developed advancement in the skipping technology. The girl didn't need the coin to leave her planet because everyone got an override to serve in the mission. All these things are obvious. The Sith didn't want to kill Rei, he just wanted to provoque her, to give her temptation. He just didn't count with her giving up her own life, and there was nothing he could do about that. Just like Rei couldn't do anything about Kylo giving up his life for her. The only real plothole is why can't the Sith stop shooting when he is already killing himself, I give people that one, but that plothole is ancient from previous movies. |
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Post by Balder on Dec 31, 2019 10:23:25 GMT
This video explains most of the bullshit in this movie. It's incredible how terrible this movie is written:
I saw that. I actually addressed all that criticism directly early during this thread. Most of those so called plotholes are just them not putting attention to the overall set pieces. Instead of repeating it, I'll quote myself: I have been seeing people online complaining about some plotholes, and I can't believe they can't see the obvious answers to these things. A lot of those plotholes are automatically solved because of prophecy, if prophecy is meant to transcend time, it means a lot of things are meant to be. For example it wasn't meant for Luke to find the dagger, but it was meant for Rei. It was meant for that ship to be abandoned on that rock, the crew of that ship probably died in those sands. It was also meant to be for Rei to fall on that exact spot. It was meant to be for the dagger to be designed that way, and for the piece of Death Star to land like that. All the characters are doing is discovering their story, not making it. Also people forget to mention the plothole of why the Sith didn't transfer to Rei if he got what he wanted. He got killed by Rei supposedly, but she only served as a mirror, she didn't kill him, he killed himself. He obviously didn't like Rei's parents, the movie made this very clear when he talked about them, he felt it wasn't worth it to continue living through his son, instead he preferred to live longer, and just wait for his grandaughter who was probably born already when he made that decision. That's pretty straightforward. About keeping the fleet in one place, it was obviously at purpose. He wanted to have something to show off to Rei, he wanted to impress her, and make easier her decision for her to accept her destiny as a Sith, he also planned her friends to come, that's why he announced himself to everyone, and he didn't want to kill them because he wanted to use them as bait for her to accept the offering. She is a Skywalker because she was raised with that vision, and having that vision is more important than having the blood. When she gets kids her genes have already been transformed based on her own life experience, and she can transfer that to her offspring. She doesn't even need to have her own kids. She can just teach that vision to someone, and continue the lineage that way. The sexual tension between Kylo Ren and Rei was obvious throughout the movies, I don't know how people didn't see this. It almost felt like the tension between a couple in an arranged marriage that already accepted it was inevitable for them to love each other. I still hope Finn gets to bang Rei in upcoming movies, he clearly likes her, and deserves some of that ass. Now that Kylo is dead she can do that. Lando is badass, but he didn't get all those people to help based on his own prestige alone, the Sith announced it. Also there was never an opportunity like this, where they will all be in one spot. A lot of people react when it is absolutely necessary, and this time the tech is probably far superior to make something like this happen. Plus everyone already knew what was going on because of that announcement, and it made it easier to organize. That planet was hard to reach because it is in a tricky location to spot, but once the location is spotted the hard way, anyone can easily hyperspace jump to their atmosphere, which is likely a newly developed advancement in the skipping technology. The girl didn't need the coin to leave her planet because everyone got an override to serve in the mission. All these things are obvious. The Sith didn't want to kill Rei, he just wanted to provoque her, to give her temptation. He just didn't count with her giving up her own life, and there was nothing he could do about that. Just like Rei couldn't do anything about Kylo giving up his life for her. The only real plothole is why can't the Sith stop shooting when he is already killing himself, I give people that one, but that plothole is ancient from previous movies. Obviously you don't agree with any of this, but I don't agree with any of your explanations. |
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Post by stratogustav on Dec 31, 2019 16:02:02 GMT
Obviously you don't agree with any of this, but I don't agree with any of your explanations. Even if they make sense within the Jedi philosophy? Because prophecy is behind all of this, "meant to be" is exactly what defines prophecy, you can't have prophecy without "meant to be", they aren't mutually exclusive, if there is prophecy in the Universe, there is "meant to be", there is no way around that. So it automatically explains all those things, it is very straight forward stuff. The whole sequence of hyperspace jumping with the tie fighters at the beginning of the movie, was a key set piece to explain why everyone was able to arrive when they did once the planet was spotted towards the end. Just because it wasn't previously doable it, doesn't mean it can't be done now. Just like regular storm troopers are jump troopers now, and just like Star Destroyers can achieve Death Star results. There is nothing weird about that. Did we have VR 10 years ago? Yes, but regular people didn't. It is the same thing. Also do you honestly believe the Sith wasn't tempting Rei? Like how can someone dispute that? He made it very clear. Become the Sith and you can save your friends. It is extremely clear. This is straight up taken from the temptation of Christ by Satan in the desert. J. J. may be a Jew, but I'm pretty sure he knows the story. He just inverted it. Instead of taking Rei to a high place to show her everything that can be hers, it appears they were down under, and the visual temptation was above their heads. Also instead of offering the kingdoms, he offered reign over the alliance, including her rebel friends. Obviously the Sith made the announcement for that reason, he wanted to gather everyone so she can accept it. This is why he didn't kill them. He did want to be striked down by her. This is the whole reason he made the announcement in the first place, to gather all those people. In fact, she almost did, the plan was perfect, but just like it didn't work for Satan, it didn't work for the Sith. Some things are actually cooler now, like the Death Star remains, or how the Force reach has been elevated. Again J. J. looks like a Jew, but he is taking a lot of things straight up from The Bible. Like the whole Force thing is straight up Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” It is the exact same religious stuff that inspired Lucas himself back in the day. Plus that level of Force is on another level never seen before, and it makes it cooler. This is why they talk like that. This is why the black girl asked Finn if he believed in the Force, and he said he didn't before, but now is impossible for him to deny it, and that level of belief is actually making him Force sensitive. Pretty cool stuff. All these things aren't just Christian, a lot of those teachings are all over ancient religions, and it makes the Jedi religion that much more significant, considering all of this happened "a long time ago". These abstract concepts are what make people inexplicably attracted to Star Wars, they ring some truth they can connect to, that at least in some deep level from the genes of their past ancestors, feel somewhat familiar, or relatable. |
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Post by Balder on Jan 1, 2020 12:28:39 GMT
Obviously you don't agree with any of this, but I don't agree with any of your explanations. Even if they make sense within the Jedi philosophy? Because prophecy is behind all of this, "meant to be" is exactly what defines prophecy, you can't have prophecy without "meant to be", they aren't mutually exclusive, if there is prophecy in the Universe, there is "meant to be", there is no way around that. So it automatically explains all those things, it is very straight forward stuff. The whole sequence of hyperspace jumping with the tie fighters at the beginning of the movie, was a key set piece to explain why everyone was able to arrive when they did once the planet was spotted towards the end. Just because it wasn't previously doable it, doesn't mean it can't be done now. Just like regular storm troopers are jump troopers now, and just like Star Destroyers can achieve Death Star results. There is nothing weird about that. Did we have VR 10 years ago? Yes, but regular people didn't. It is the same thing. Also do you honestly believe the Sith wasn't tempting Rei? Like how can someone dispute that? He made it very clear. Become the Sith and you can save your friends. It is extremely clear. This is straight up taken from the temptation of Christ by Satan in the desert. J. J. may be a Jew, but I'm pretty sure he knows the story. He just inverted it. Instead of taking Rei to a high place to show her everything that can be hers, it appears they were down under, and the visual temptation was above their heads. Also instead of offering the kingdoms, he offered reign over the alliance, including her rebel friends. Obviously the Sith made the announcement for that reason, he wanted to gather everyone so she can accept it. This is why he didn't kill them. He did want to be striked down by her. This is the whole reason he made the announcement in the first place, to gather all those people. In fact, she almost did, the plan was perfect, but just like it didn't work for Satan, it didn't work for the Sith. Some things are actually cooler now, like the Death Star remains, or how the Force reach has been elevated. Again J. J. looks like a Jew, but he is taking a lot of things straight up from The Bible. Like the whole Force thing is straight up Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” It is the exact same religious stuff that inspired Lucas himself back in the day. Plus that level of Force is on another level never seen before, and it makes it cooler. This is why they talk like that. This is why the black girl asked Finn if he believed in the Force, and he said he didn't before, but now is impossible for him to deny it, and that level of belief is actually making him Force sensitive. Pretty cool stuff. All these things aren't just Christian, a lot of those teachings are all over ancient religions, and it makes the Jedi religion that much more significant, considering all of this happened "a long time ago". These abstract concepts are what make people inexplicably attracted to Star Wars, they ring some truth they can connect to, that at least in some deep level from the genes of their past ancestors, feel somewhat familiar, or relatable. You attribute your own interpretations as the writers' intention when it's very clear for everyone else that it's not the case. These movies just shit all over the Originals and the Prequels, and I despise these movies for that. Fuck Rey and the change of the prophecy. |
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