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Post by Balder on Oct 6, 2020 7:44:05 GMT
This week: Resident Evil 2 (Original and remake) Year: 1998 Developer: Capcom Publisher: Capcom Platforms: PS1, PC, Game.com, GameCube, Dreamcast, N64, Xbox One, PS4 Chosen by: Cervantes Next: More spook to come
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Post by ModeratorNumber2 on Oct 6, 2020 7:46:33 GMT
Added and stickied.
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Post by stratogustav on Oct 6, 2020 9:11:17 GMT
The N64 version is still a technological miracle. It is true that the N64 graphics were better than the PS1, but the cartridges weren't better than CDs.
CDs simply had a better capacity to hold more data, and better sound. Yet, somehow Capcom made it work, and I'm glad they did it because the N64 being the first person shooting machine it was, it was basically a sin to deny that base to experience this horror all time classic that brought the genre one step further of the revolution the first game already did.
The game hold up so well that the GameCube version didn't even need redo, and still didn't feel too behind from the what it looked like photorealism at the time, presented in REmake, and REzero for the new gen.
However time passed by, and years later Capcom decided to bring it back. I can't speak of the new one (RE2make) because I haven't play it myself, but the RE7 engine is so artistic and cool that it doesn't surprise me it looks so great in the videos. From what I've seen Capcom was able to kept the feel of the ambience of the original game in a more modern presentation.
The new version is definitely in my list of must plays, and I'm looking forward to relive that experience in a new form, but honestly the first game is still very playable and brings that certain awesomeness that only games from that generation can still provide, and that I doubt the new one would.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Oct 6, 2020 15:08:39 GMT
I added the remake too Cervantes, I'm not too familiar with any of them, but seeing how they are very similar, it couldn't hurt, right?
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Oct 6, 2020 19:59:42 GMT
I added the remake too Cervantes , I'm not too familiar with any of them, but seeing how they are very similar, it couldn't hurt, right? Yeah, because a modern third person shooter is going to play exactly the same as a 90s survival horror game with tank controls. Moron. This is why we need a better gaming forum moderator.
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Post by stratogustav on Oct 6, 2020 21:14:39 GMT
Yeah, because a modern third person shooter is going to play exactly the same as a 90s survival horror game with tank controls. I'm obviously disgusted by this kind of behavior, and I do not approve you insulting Balder, or me, or anyone, but I'm not going to lie, that little comment was kind of funny. Definitely not appropriate, and not acceptable, and I'm totally not trying to encourage it, but it did make me laugh.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Oct 7, 2020 3:10:55 GMT
I added the remake too Cervantes , I'm not too familiar with any of them, but seeing how they are very similar, it couldn't hurt, right? Yeah, because a modern third person shooter is going to play exactly the same as a 90s survival horror game with tank controls. Moron. This is why we need a better gaming forum moderator. Still waiting on that poll you were going to make dude.
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Post by Cervantes on Oct 10, 2020 21:38:26 GMT
I don't see a problem in discussing both the original and remake - it's even better so anyone who played both can compare them and tell us what is the best.
Although I suggested the game, I haven't really played it for more than the first hour or so (I'll see if I can play it this month, if I get some free time; I also intend to play Code Veronica down the line). Not that I didn't want to play it: RE2, alongside Metal Gear and Tomb Raider 2, was one of the bigger 3d games at the time and immediatelly made the PS1 look like the best console available. From the first screen, RE2 already looked like a huge improvement over the first game: the graphics were much more detailed, there were more zombies on screen, the story seemed more elaborate and the setting (Racoon City itself) gave far more variation than the mansion from RE1. And all of this is noticeable right from the first screen of the game, and it only build up from there. The beginning hour of the game does its best to show how much it improved over the original and is pretty awesome.
As I didn't have a PS1 at the time, I ended up passing on it, only playing the next one - RE3: Nemesis was also really good, but never quite reached the classic status from 2.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Oct 12, 2020 5:35:55 GMT
I don't see a problem in discussing both the original and remake - it's even better so anyone who played both can compare them and tell us what is the best. Lumping remakes into the same discussion thread as the original game IS generally a horrible idea though, and it's easy to explain why. There are tons of awful-mediocre remakes out there, so when Balder forces us to discuss & rate both a classic game AND its awful remake in the same thread, it makes it impossible for many to give it a rating. A good example is when we discussed the original Resident Evil a few years back, and Armored Core Raven raved (no pun intended) about the original release on PS1 but expressed his intense dislike of the remake on gamecube. You can't streamline forum discussions to such a baffling degree without destroying the polls & damaging the longevity of the forum. This discussion series could potentially last indefinitely if Balder wasn't streamlining it so much. I don't see why everyone else on the forum should have to put up with this crap when he's clearly the only one who wants it to be that way.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Oct 12, 2020 7:34:19 GMT
I don't see a problem in discussing both the original and remake - it's even better so anyone who played both can compare them and tell us what is the best. Lumping remakes into the same discussion thread as the original game IS generally a horrible idea though, and it's easy to explain why. There are tons of awful-mediocre remakes out there, so when Balder forces us to discuss & rate both a classic game AND its awful remake in the same thread, it makes it impossible for many to give it a rating. A good example is when we discussed the original Resident Evil a few years back, and Armored Core Raven raved (no pun intended) about the original release on PS1 but expressed his intense dislike of the remake on gamecube. You can't streamline forum discussions to such a baffling degree without destroying the polls & damaging the longevity of the forum. This discussion series could potentially last indefinitely if Balder wasn't streamlining it so much. I don't see why everyone else on the forum should have to put up with this crap when he's clearly the only one who wants it to be that way. Nobody has said they agree with you, but clearly everyone feels that way. What? Get your head out of your ass dude.
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Post by Bogard on Oct 13, 2020 14:16:57 GMT
Wow soo much tension going on.
As for the game I really like it and it defiantly is creepy even to this day. As for the N64 port I remember the original announcement was that they were going to remake the first game for the N64 which we didn't get until the Gamcube. My guess is either because of the popularity of the second game or it was just easier to port a existing best seller than just make a new game from scratch.
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Post by stratogustav on Oct 13, 2020 18:37:56 GMT
Spirit Bomb I mentioned before that all DLC, updates, patches, add-ons, seasons, remasters, ports, versions, editions, and remakes should go in the same thread, while the only ones that are better separately are spin-offs, spiritual successors, and sequels. For example: - Under Night In-Birth Ex:Late - Under Night In-Birth Ex:Late[st] - Under Night In-Birth Ex: Late[cl-r] Should go on the same thread. While - Mega Man 9 - Mighty No. 9 - Mega Man X9 (if it comes out) Should go on different threads.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Oct 13, 2020 18:55:00 GMT
Spirit Bomb I mentioned before that all DLC, updates, patches, add-ons, seasons, remasters, ports, versions, editions, and remakes should go in the same thread, while the only ones that are better separately are spin-offs, spiritual successors, and sequels. We're only beating a dead horse here. Maestro will never understand or reason with us on this.
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Post by Cervantes on Oct 14, 2020 3:04:43 GMT
- Mega Man X9 (if it comes out) Oh man, now you made me sad. Why, Capcom, why you abandoned the X series???
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Post by Cervantes on Oct 20, 2020 9:59:18 GMT
I've just finished a Leon A / Claire B campaign!
All those initial impressions I got on the game were pretty much confirmed through my playthrough: visually, it's leagues ahead of the first game and does its best to create many more interesting setpieces. There is a lot of interesting storytelling in the environments, like the room were Leon's welcome party was supposed to happen (you see the destroyed barricades there), or when you find the burning helicopter in Scenario A (to only see how it fell in Scenario B). One thing that surprised me was how many zombies the game could throw at the same time: usually just two or three in the first game, but as many as six or seven in a single room this time. They also are not only better designed (looking like actual dead humans now), but also are much better animated, so it all looks like a strikingly good video game rendition of Dawn of the Dead. Besides the higher number of enemies, the only noticeable gameplay change is the character animation showing the current health, as Leon and Claire will look hurt and even move slowly when close to dying. Besides that, most of the gameplay is unchanged from the first game.
It is much more linear and action-based, though. While the Police Station is as hilariously convoluted as the mansion and the best area, demanding a lot of carefully planning in how to navigate it, all the latter areas are a bit disappointing for being just point A to point B affairs - in the first game, the Guardhouse and Laboratory were still a bit open in how you could tackle them, while the Sewers and Laboratory in RE2 are very straightorward. There are also less bosses, so no giant snakes, plants or sharks this time - just Birkin's forms and Mr X. On the other hand, I don't miss the bosses because Classic RE combat is not great anyway, and the more dangerous zombie encounters are a good replacement for the lack of bosses. Another change was in the survival aspect - I felt like I never had to conserve ammo or ink ribbons and literally had hundreds of ammunition by the end of each scenario. You still can't go out killing every zombie, of course, but it's more generous than the first game.
Also, the different scenarios are well integrated - while in the first game Chris' and Jill's stories were too similar and impossible to happen at the same time, RE2 makes more of an effort to make it look like Leon and Claire are acting simultaneously, so playing both A and B scenarios is needed to get the full story. I don't know if I have the will to play Claire A / Leon B right now, but the fact that I'm curious enough about it (which means going through the game a third and fourth time) shows how well designed and addictive the game is.
Last but not least, the story and characters are much more likeable and fun. This is the game that set up the quirkness of the series, with badass characters, secret agents and disgusting body horror - it has a more distinctive personality than RE1.
If I was to make any changes to the game, it would be adding a quick turn move (RE3 and Code: Veronica later did it) and redesigning the latter areas to be less linear. Besides that, I see why this is considered by many people as the best game in the series. I hope the remake holds up: going by the videos/reviews, it seems to keep the scary factor and to turn Mr X into something more similar to Nemesis from RE3 or the xenomorph from Alien: Isolation, which is a nice choice.
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