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May 12, 2016 0:30:09 GMT
Post by dschult3 on May 12, 2016 0:30:09 GMT
For all of our European friends out there, was SCART video really that awesome? I have been watching a lot of retro video game You Tubers as of late, and they sing wonderful songs about the awesomeness of the SCART video. Since the US of A never had SCART, I am now really interested in it.
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Armored Core Raven
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Post by Armored Core Raven on May 12, 2016 1:31:49 GMT
Overall it's roughly equivalent to the S-Video standard US had.
SCART uses RGB as the video signal and is therefore uninterrupted from console to TV resulting in the highest quality pixel perfection you can get on a CRT SDTV. On the other hand it has slightly lower sound quality and the impractically shaped SCART plug has an electrical charge going through when in use, and if removed/plugged in while turned on it can actually damage your equipment if you're unlucky. I have been shocked by SCART cables a couple times and wondered what the hell that sting was before I read about it. The odd shape of the plug also makes it a pain to plug in/unplug behind your TV if you want to switch to something else, if like me have multiple systems this is not the way to go, also SDTVs as a standard come with only one RGB SCART hole on the back, the second SCART hole is for S-Video adapters and if used with an RGB SCART cable will either downgrade the RGB signal to Composite standard (with dot crawl and everything) or not work at all with a black, static or scrambled image.
S-Video on the other hand, just like composite cables, has better sound quality with the separate RCA plugs for left and right stereo, but S-Video (with it's far more practical simple designed plug) downgrades the video signal into basically two things, color and grayscale, so while the black and white grayscale signal is just as good as RGB SCART when it comes to pixel perfection the color signal compresses ALL the colors into one signal and it suffers from some color bleeding effects as a result, red color especially hence the name "color bleeding". Though it should be noted some systems have far superior S-Video coding than others it can never truly look at good as RGB does over SCART even at the best of times, but systems like Dreamcast and Xbox 360 have such excellent S-Video rendering that the color bleeding is kept virtually nonexistent, you'd have to compare side by side with virtually identical TVs to tell the difference between RGB SCART and S-Video on those two, it's that close. Regardless, S-Video is still a far superior alternative to RCA Composite or RF antenna cables.
Personally I used SCART for just about everything a few years back but has since changed to S-Video on most things, only those that are rarer to find or have unusually expensive S-Video cables still use SCART.
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May 12, 2016 4:51:29 GMT
Post by Cervantes on May 12, 2016 4:51:29 GMT
On the other hand it has slightly lower sound quality and the impractically shaped SCART plug has an electrical charge going through when in use, and if removed/plugged in while turned on it can actually damage your equipment if you're unlucky. I didn't know about that, I always assumed SCART was better in every aspect. Thanks for the explanation. I use my Saturn with a S-video connection, it looks infinitely better than the composite one; I was wondering if the SCART image looks much better, but if the sound suffers from it, then maybe S-video is really the way to go.
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May 12, 2016 5:47:33 GMT
Post by winnersdontusedrugs on May 12, 2016 5:47:33 GMT
I remember seeing a comparison video of different video inputs for the Dreamcast and thinking SCART was by far the best. Wish there was a way to get it in the states.
Though Raven's post makes it clear that SCART has some drawbacks.
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Armored Core Raven
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Post by Armored Core Raven on May 12, 2016 6:39:55 GMT
Basically SCART is only really the best option for video, if you can get SCART cables with RCA splitters on them (like in the example images below) you can at least turn down the sound from the TV and hook up a hi-fi stereo system or something using normal standard red and white sound cables. I have some SCART cables similar to those for PlayStation/PS2/PS3, SNES/N64/GameCube and Xbox but I don't have a good separate sound system to go with my TV so again S-Video was the better option for me. Also worth noting is that some machines are not properly compatible with some types of cables despite having the correct plugs! I don't remember exactly without looking it up but I think the SCART cables for GameCube won't work for N64 because N64 only had S-Video support or some crazy thing like that, it may also be even more complicated as it may be different in different regions, like the PAL N64 had RGB only and the NTSC had S-Video only. Again, I don't remember without looking that up exactly, so if you're thinking about getting cables for older machines like the N64 (or even older still), check up online properly what they're compatible with so you won't end up buying a cable only to realize you'll need to modify your console's innards to get it to work! Like in this link for how to mod an NTSC N64 to support RGB output: www.mmmonkey.co.uk/ntsc-nintendo-64-rgb/
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Armored Core Raven
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May 12, 2016 7:49:20 GMT
Post by Armored Core Raven on May 12, 2016 7:49:20 GMT
Another interesting downside with RGB SCART on Sony brand consoles in particular is that they only sync on green, so unless you have a sync on green CRT SDTV (very rare) you won't be able to watch DVDs on a PS2 or PS3, you'll just get a green screen with sound. Games still work fine though for some reason. Also all types of SD cables (RF, Composite, S-Video and RGB SCART) when used on a PAL region PS3 automatically disables Blu-ray playback and downgrades 60Hz to 50Hz with all other options grayed out in the PS3 XMB menus. The PAL region PS3 requires Component, HDMI or other types of HD cables to use the Blu-ray player and to get 60Hz playback.
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May 12, 2016 15:58:08 GMT
Post by Balder on May 12, 2016 15:58:08 GMT
It's just so baffling that the US didn't have SCART. It was so basic/standard in the 90's and early 2000's.
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May 12, 2016 21:49:05 GMT
Post by Dan E. Kool on May 12, 2016 21:49:05 GMT
The difference is real and it's SPECTACULAR.
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May 13, 2016 4:56:53 GMT
Post by Armored Core Raven on May 13, 2016 4:56:53 GMT
I forgot another thing that always bothered me with SCART. It can literally take over your TV functions, like change the channel automatically and even change the aspect ratio! Some even make it impossible to watch normal TV channels at the same time unless you turn the system off first, even standby modes can affect the TV. I'm not sure how this affects every TV out there but for the two CRT SDTVs and the HDTV I've used SCART on so far all had the same problems, my initial settings do not matter and the cables take over every time forcing me to change settings back manually.
Some examples: PlayStation/PS2/PS3 changes the channel to AV when I turn the console on and always changes the aspect ratio to 16:9 despite the TV and console/game settings are set to 4:3 and I can't switch to any other channel on the TV without turning off the console, they just show a scrambled signal of the game with the TV channel sound. Xbox and GameCube are a little better, they keep the 4:3 ratio so I at least don't have to manually change that manually every time, other than that they have the same problems. Wii changes the aspect ratio to 16:9 and needs to be turned off completely (red light) as the standby mode (yellow light) still changes the channel to AV, I can manually go to normal TV channels and watch while the Wii is turned on/in standby mode though.
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Post by stratogustav on May 13, 2016 11:02:58 GMT
LOL at the Seinfeld quote.
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May 15, 2016 20:48:13 GMT
Post by fsfsxii on May 15, 2016 20:48:13 GMT
I've always wondered what the SCART was for. I've always gotten it with my consoles, but never had a plug for it in my TVs. Had many SDTVs back in the day but none of them had one.
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May 16, 2016 22:07:14 GMT
Post by dschult3 on May 16, 2016 22:07:14 GMT
Raven, your info is awesome. Are you some sort of A-V guy? Thanks for the info. I wish I could see the difference, but I don't know anyone who has access to SCART. I know the You Tube videos exist, but I'd rather see it in person. I have heard of Atari Jaguar people modding their systems to output through SCART, because the stuff is on the inside, but the port was never made. I wonder if actually looks better?
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Post by dschult3 on May 5, 2020 2:59:55 GMT
The Retro Tink people have made a conversion kit from SCART to HDMI for the European collectors out there. Color me jealous. This looks awesome! RetroTink 2.0
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