Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 21, 2021 23:21:07 GMT
As an MLG gamer, I love me a good tier list. However, I don't really care for ProJared's content. So I didn't know how to feel when I saw this:
In a nearly hour-long stream, ProJared ranks over three dozen different consoles from what he considers best-to-worst.
For those who have or have not watched the video, I recorded the list for you. Here is his console tier list:
S Tier: SNES, PS1, Super Famicom, Nintendo DS, PS2
A Tier: NES, Famicom, Sega Genesis, GBA, Sega Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox 360, PS 4, Nintendo Switch
B Tier: Game Boy, Master System, Sega Saturn, Sega Nomad, Neo Geo AES, Nintendo 3DS, Xbox, PS3 (backwards compatible versions)
C Tier: Turbographics 16, Atari 2600, Sega CD, Game Gear, Neo Geo Pocket, Turbographics Express, Coleco Vision, Intelivision, Game Boy Color, N64, Nintendo Wii, PS3 (non backwards compatible versions), PSP
D Tier: Vectrex, Tell Star, Atari 5200, Atari 7800, Atari Lynx, Sega 32x, Game & Watch, Bandai Wonder Swan, Wii U, PS Vita, Xbox One
F Tier: Virtual Boy, Amiga CD, Atari Jaguar, Atari Jaguar CD, F Tech, Nokia N-Gage, Game.Com, Micro Vision, Super Vision, Apple Pippin, Pioneer Laser Active, Phillips CDI, 3DO, 64DD
DISCLAIMER: There were a number of obscure plug-and-play consoles and pong clones that he ranked which I didn't bother recording. Additionally, I don't remember seeing the Magnavox Odysseys included, nor the infamous Gizmondo. Also, no Tapwave Zodiac or Mattel Hyperscan (I don't think).
What do you guys think of his list? Is it a load of schist? Or do you think it has credibility?
Please discuss.
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Bogard
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Post by Bogard on Aug 22, 2021 16:43:10 GMT
I hate ProJared but that seems to be a good list (not what I would pick). But he had to put Nintendo DS in S Tier ?. what a load of shit but that's ProJared for you. DS is B Tier at best. The GBA was a better console and even that doesn't deserve a A Tier ranking let alone S Tier.
Besides the Nintendo DS bullshit I think it's close to being accurate to how those console should be ranked without adding personal preferences.
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Post by Cervantes on Aug 22, 2021 19:26:58 GMT
The list is ok, although obviously I would change a lot. As Bogard said, NDS in S Tier, above even the NES, is a very strange choice. I also don't see why the SNES would be a tier above the Genesis, or why Super Famicom/Famicom would be separate from SNES/NES. As ProJared favours Nintendo and RPGs, a console like the Saturn appears too low, being a Sega console with only a few RPGs translated to english - besides, notice how his S list are all consoles with multiple translated Square/Square Enix RPGs. Also, while the Gamecube is a very fine console with some great releases, its relevant library is very small for that generation and some of its most interesting games, like RE4 or Killer 7, were multiplatform releases, while others were just remakes (MGS and REmake). It should not be in the same tier as NES, Genesis or even the X360, I think.
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Post by Balder on Aug 22, 2021 19:58:30 GMT
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Spirit Bomb
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 22, 2021 20:51:03 GMT
Even though I was merely half-joking when I said that, the fact that you, easily the most talentless gamer on these boards, are calling me out for said joke is quite ironic. Hey, by the way, have you beaten that Street Fighter 3 challenge I laid out for you yet? Please tell us.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 23, 2021 0:55:10 GMT
The list is ok, although obviously I would change a lot. As Bogard said, NDS in S Tier, above even the NES, is a very strange choice. I also don't see why the SNES would be a tier above the Genesis, or why Super Famicom/Famicom would be separate from SNES/NES. As ProJared favours Nintendo and RPGs, a console like the Saturn appears too low, being a Sega console with only a few RPGs translated to english - besides, notice how his S list are all consoles with multiple translated Square/Square Enix RPGs. Also, while the Gamecube is a very fine console with some great releases, its relevant library is very small for that generation and some of its most interesting games, like RE4 or Killer 7, were multiplatform releases, while others were just remakes (MGS and REmake). It should not be in the same tier as NES, Genesis or even the X360, I think.Cervantes, have you played Melee? Because it sounds like you haven't played Melee. Just play Melee. GC instantly becomes at least A tier once you factor in Melee. I mean, it's unarguably the second most significant fighting game after Street Fighter 2 after all. And you couldn't get it for PS2 or Xbox, either! Melee was the ultimate killer app.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Aug 23, 2021 5:14:01 GMT
Even though I was merely half-joking when I said that, the fact that you, easily the most talentless gamer on these boards, are calling me out for said joke is quite ironic. Hey, by the way, have you beaten that Street Fighter 3 challenge I laid out for you yet? Please tell us. I don't care about participating in such an arbitrary challenge. Come on dude, fight 1v1 in a fighting game.
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 23, 2021 7:00:25 GMT
I don't know about this tier list. I would just do the handhelds and computer systems separately.
S: NES, Dreamcast, PS2
A: SNES, Genesis, Neo Geo
B: PS4, Master System, Saturn
C: PS1, PS3, XBOX 360, OG XBOX, XBOX ONE, Wii, Switch, N64, Game Cube
D: Sega 32X, Sega CD, Neo Geo CD, Wii U, TurboGrafx-16
E: Panasonic 3DO, Sharp X8000, Philips CD-i, Atari Jaguar
F: Ouja, Soulja Boy, R-Zone, HyperScan, all those Chinese knock-off consoles
I don't even have any nostalgic feelings for the NES, but the NES is the reason why we have a mainstream culture of video games, it was a very challenging generation which made the games more addictive, and it also introduced some of the best IPs of all time, not to mention the entire industry was pretty much almost completely united into a single console, and the hardware limitations made what was accomplished even more impressive.
I wasn't there when it first came out, but I imagine it was a mind fuck, the industry was on the toilet for like 2 years since E.T., but then developers introduced Super Mario Bros. and the world stood still in awe, the industry was never going to be the same after a drop like that.
My favorite console of all time is the SNES, I never owned a NES growing up, and I still recognize the NES is the best.
It's like the case with the N64, it was very revolutionary, and creative with some mind blowing innovation, but I still think the Saturn is a better console for all its stellar 2D content alone.
What the N64 did in innovation, the PS1 did on RPGs, while having a generally big library, so I can see why someone would prefer the PS1 over the N64, which barely has any games by comparison, but the N64 making the thumbstick a mainstream thing, introducing the rumble, and overall giving a master class of how proper 3D games had to be done in the very beginnings puts both consoles on the same level.
I put the PS4 pretty high because the library is pretty nuts, it has the Souls games, including Nioh, Sekiro, and Bloodborne, the Yakuza games, the third party games, and their massive selection of wildly popular exclusives, not to mention it brought VR to consoles, with very solid VR exclusives too.
So even though I did love my PS3 to heart, the PS4 definitely won that battle. Not to mention it has my favorite controller of all time regardless of everything wrong with that controller, which is many things.
The Neo Geo is a very artistic system, it is on console form through the AES, and basically made pixel design an art form on the same level of painting.
The Dreamcast won over the arcade culture because it finally put both industries on the same level. It brought it down, and as a good captain, it sunk with it, but it left us with one of the most loveable highest rated libraries of all time.
And the PS2 was the last time we had full games without DLC, loot boxes, add-ons, season passes, or micro-transactions. Not to mention one of the most "prolific" console libraries ever.
The 6th gen was the time when developers reached their biggest maturity at game making, and had the freedom they always dreamed of.
After that, the upgrades going from one generation to another have been minimal, and that's why the 6th gen is an important landmark before online gaming changed many important things of the industry.
I also have to say that even though the Master System wasn't very popular in many places it has its own personality, and it is a very unique system that even made their owners enjoy next gen titles ported to that very underrated console.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 23, 2021 18:26:46 GMT
Even though I was merely half-joking when I said that, the fact that you, easily the most talentless gamer on these boards, are calling me out for said joke is quite ironic. Hey, by the way, have you beaten that Street Fighter 3 challenge I laid out for you yet? Please tell us. I don't care about participating in such an arbitrary challenge. Come on dude, fight 1v1 in a fighting game. I already established the challenge. Either attempt it or forfeit, pig. That's how duels work.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Aug 23, 2021 18:28:56 GMT
I don't care about participating in such an arbitrary challenge. Come on dude, fight 1v1 in a fighting game. I already established the challenge. Either attempt it or forfeit, pig. That's how duels work. Your challenge is unreasonable and I've got no time for something that boring.
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Aug 23, 2021 18:33:41 GMT
I already established the challenge. Either attempt it or forfeit, pig. That's how duels work. Your challenge is unreasonable and I've got no time for something that boring. Alight, then you forfeit. The most challenging Street fighter ever made is too "boring" for you, huh? Post better flame bait next time.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Aug 23, 2021 18:59:04 GMT
Your challenge is unreasonable and I've got no time for something that boring. Alight, then you forfeit. The most challenging Street fighter ever made is too "boring" for you, huh? Post better flame bait next time.
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Post by Cervantes on Aug 24, 2021 14:10:14 GMT
The list is ok, although obviously I would change a lot. As Bogard said, NDS in S Tier, above even the NES, is a very strange choice. I also don't see why the SNES would be a tier above the Genesis, or why Super Famicom/Famicom would be separate from SNES/NES. As ProJared favours Nintendo and RPGs, a console like the Saturn appears too low, being a Sega console with only a few RPGs translated to english - besides, notice how his S list are all consoles with multiple translated Square/Square Enix RPGs. Also, while the Gamecube is a very fine console with some great releases, its relevant library is very small for that generation and some of its most interesting games, like RE4 or Killer 7, were multiplatform releases, while others were just remakes (MGS and REmake). It should not be in the same tier as NES, Genesis or even the X360, I think.Cervantes, have you played Melee? Because it sounds like you haven't played Melee. Just play Melee. GC instantly becomes at least A tier once you factor in Melee. I mean, it's unarguably the second most significant fighting game after Street Fighter 2 after all. And you couldn't get it for PS2 or Xbox, either! Melee was the ultimate killer app. Melee is certainly one of the famously great exclusives, although I'm not a huge fighting game fan so it wouldn't do much for me. For that generation, I always remember Ninja Gaiden/Panzer Dragoon Orta on the Xbox, the absolutely massive PS2 library and the final creative push that Sega gave with the Dreamcast (stuff like Rez, Jet Set Radio, Shenmue I&II etc.), so the Game Cube looks just a bit less appealing by contrast - it's solid, but there are very few originally exclusive titles that I would like to play. I would still put it in the same tier as the Xbox, since they have similarly small but great libraries, but PS2 and Dreamcast would go higher on the list. Edit: Considering my preferences, I do think my list would be very similar to stratogustav's, except with PS1 and 360 being on B and Master System on C.
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 24, 2021 14:51:41 GMT
Poor Master System, underrated even by Sega fans.
The Xbox 360 has a good selection of shoot 'em ups, but other than that, it's pretty on par with the PS3 that also had many iconic exclusives. I would put both next to the Wii as well, despite the insane social phenomenon the Wii was, with also very incredible games.
One can argue they are under the Wii because they even tried to copy it with the PS Move and the Kinect. Plus it's hard to compete with both Super Mario Galaxy games, but I still put them on par because of the other features they had, and the shovelware brings down the Wii too.
About the PS1, it does have a big selection of games, but quantity alone is not enough for me to make it stand out, specially when developers still didn't know how to go about 3D like they did on the PS2.
The PS1 did have some 2D titles, but nothing on par with the quality of 2D titles on the Saturn, specially if you include Japanese exclusives. Which by the way, I have to clarify I do also include Japanese exclusive titles as part of what made the Dreamcast insanely great.
Quantity alone is not enough for me for a system to stand out. It does help the case of the PS2, but only because quality was already present in that library.
I would say the PS1 had quality titles, but in a prototype form, not the fully final product that would make me put it on higher position, specially not above the N64 that had fully fleshed out titles like Super Mario 64, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Majora's Mask, and Ocarina Of Time.
I have a PS1 Classic, I compare the gameplay of WipEout with F-Zero X, I compare the gameplay of 1080° Snowboarding with Cool Boarders. They are in complete different worlds, you can feel it. It does feel like the PS1 was an older console in every single way.
Resident Evil Remake on the Game Cube was a testament of the potential PS1 games had once they reach their final form, but because they weren't quite there yet, like the PS2 was, I cannot with a clear conscience say it deserves a higher rank.
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Post by Pimpjira on Aug 24, 2021 20:38:49 GMT
I actually did one just not that long ago. It doesn't have dozens of consoles, just the ones I've owned and extensively played. I didn't include platforms where I've played a bunch of the games but not on original hardware either. (like TG16, Master System, Neo Geo stuff)
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