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Post by Pimpjira on Jun 28, 2016 14:58:44 GMT
leaon79s This post of yours comes very handy for me since I'm planning to start all the games. I bought the Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection that comes with 12 games of the series. I also have Ground Zeroes. I'm only missing The Phantom Pain. It looks like I want to do the chronological order, so thanks for that, it really helps me. 8 games, not 12. Metal Gear 1-2, MGS 1-3, VR Missions, Peace Walker, 4. Did you download the codes for MGS/VR Missions yet? I wonder if they're still valid. |
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Post by leaon79s on Jun 28, 2016 18:07:39 GMT
That's 7 actually - VR Missions is just an expansion for MGS1 without story, and the Digital Graphic Novels are just that: comic versions of MGS1&2. But he already has Ground Zeroes, so he's just missing Portable Ops (available on PSN for PSP/Vita), Twin Snakes (requires Gamecube/Wii), and Phantom Pain.
I don't have the Legacy Collection myself, but if I did, I would keep it sealed, especially if it comes with the artbook.
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Post by Cervantes on Jun 29, 2016 0:04:36 GMT
leaon79s - Great post mate! You really explained how it goes. My usual stance on the order of anything is the production order. I play/watch the older games/movies first, then go for the newer ones. The reason is twofold: to "get" the gameplay/visuals evolution (as you said), and because the newer games/movies, even if they are prequels, will very usually reference the older ones. Also, they will sometimes count on you already knowing what happens in the older ones. Two exemples: 1. In Star Wars (a decades old spoiler ahead), Darth Vader being Luke's father is a HUGE surprise that is well kept through the first 2 movies (although accidentaly in the first one, as Lucas probably only decided on that during the second movie's production). Also, the surprise that Luke and Leia are siblings. The second trilogy counts on the public already knowing that, so, if you watch the second trilogy first, the father/son/sister relation being kept as a secret makes no sense. 2. In Metal Gear V there's another great example. Venom being a fake is much more important if you have played MG1&2, as now you understand how it was possible that Big Boss survived the first encounter - he didn't - and how he built Outer Haven and Zanzibar. So, V not only feels as a good surprise, but even the older games themselves gain a new meaning through it. Of course there are other examples, plus it's nice to see the gameplay evolution when we are talking about games. By the way, I like how you break down the different series inside Metal Gear. Now, one thing we should remember is that Portable Ops wasn't directed by Kojima, so it's usually considered only partially canonical - as I understand, the general story was accepted as canon by Kojima, but the specifics may contradict other games. As I never played it (  ), I don't know much about it. Also, I've heard the PS1 MGS is usually considered better than Twin Snakes (which I also haven't played), but that's mostly related to the new dubbing and the changes in cutscenes - I've heard TS goes for a more exaggerated, even more unrealistic style. And hey, even as a side story, Rising does show what happens to some characters after MGS4, so it's also recommended!  But then, get ready for a completely different gameplay and tone.
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 29, 2016 0:57:48 GMT
Some how I'm counting 10:   I also have Ground Zeroes. I just need The Phantom Pain. I'll get the PS3 version to have them all in the same system. Edit: I just saw leaon79s post. OK now I get why there are only 7. I took the wrap off long time ago. So there is that. The picture doesn't give it justice but it looks brand new still. I will play it though. I haven't download the codes for the VR Missions so if those are gone I'm probably missing those too. It sucks to know I'm still missing games. I thought I had them all. I have a Wii with backwards Game Cube compatibility, but not a Vita. I wish they were all available for the PS3 to keep them all in the same system. |
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Post by Cervantes on Jun 29, 2016 1:54:51 GMT
stratogustav - You have all the main games in the series, though! The GameCube one is a remake (mostly a graphical and gameplay update; I don't think there's any new content) of Metal Gear Solid, which you have in your PS3 collection, and the PSP exclusive (Portable Ops) is a "side-story" (not directed by Hideo Kojima, by the way). The other PSP game, which WAS directed by Kojima and is in the main story, is included in this collection as an HD port (it's Peace Walker).
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 29, 2016 2:03:59 GMT
Oh thanks for that Cervantes, that makes me feel better. Now I feel I can enjoy the whole story without missing anything. However I'm imagining that between all of those I'm looking forward to at least 90 hours of gameplay. |
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jun 29, 2016 3:03:07 GMT
Nice to hear that Portable Ops is working on the Vita finally. I was disappointed with the controls on the PSP when I bought a digital copy last year. Playing it on an emulator on PC with some button remapping was much improved, so I think players are much more likely to enjoy it on the Vita. That said, of all the Big Boss era games, that's the one I would recommend skipping, or at least only watching the cut scenes online.
For a game that featured the earliest on-screen appearances by Campbell and Grey Fox, it seemed very forgettable.
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Post by leaon79s on Jun 29, 2016 3:13:39 GMT
stratogustav The 'Bande Dessinée's (the last two on the list of the case) are the digital novelisations of MGS1&2 - i.e comic adaptations of the story mainly just for your viewing pleasure. 'VR Missions' (4th in the 1st column) is a computer simulated mission expansion set for MGS1 without story. So it's 10-3=7 games with genuine story material. Hopefully the DL codes still work for MGS1, but if not, go for Twin Snakes! Cervantes Yeah Twin Snakes is a bit exaggerated (just like MGS2), it even changes a bit of the story. At the climax of MGS1, Snake & Meryl are pinned down by the Jeep and Liquid is about to finish them off - in Twin Snakes, it's not quite like that...  That's why play both if you can! Definitely, the dialogue feels far more natural and impactful (less rehearsed) in the original. Although... the voice actors carried over their roles to MGS4 based off the Twin Snakes version, not the original. In the original, Mei Ling, Naomi and Nastasha all had accents - Chinese, British, and Russian respectively. They were all Americanized for Twin Snakes, a choice retained for MGS4. So if just for conformity's sake, there's another reason to go for Twin Snakes. Alot of people like to say Portable Ops is optional (maybe cause they can't/don't like/don't want to play Metal Gear on the PSP). And true enough, events in it are never referenced again in future games. But to me it bridges the gap by depicting how he (Big Boss) transforms from a solo infiltrationist and decorated hero at the end of Snake Eater to suddenly becoming the leader of a mercenary band in South America at the beginning of Peace Walker... It shows how the MSF got started by making the player instrumental in its conception and reveals Roy Campbell as one of Big Boss's early acquaintances. Furthermore it's also the first introduction of the staff recruitment and management system that's carried on and developed for Peace Walker and Phantom Pain - Supposedly one of Kojima's original ideas. I personally played most of it in production order too, and agree that it preserves alot of plot surprise for a newcomer. Just like the 'I'm your father' reveal, or that the 'Great Warrior' Yoda is a midget... But there's something to be said about twist impact in chrono too - The "Did you like my sunglasses...?" twist in MGS1 for example, would have far greater impact on the player if they had built up a relationship with Miller throughout Peace Walker and Phantom Pain. And the showdowns of MG1&2 would also have greater poignancy because of it. That's why it's a conundrum - there are goods either way. But with chrono, you get the additional advantage of flowing continuity, always a nice thing to have...
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jun 29, 2016 3:22:09 GMT
The recruitment aspect was certainly used more after Portable Ops. As silly as the Fulton recovery system can be in Peace Walker and Phantom Pain, it definitely beats dragging everyone back to the truck  |
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Post by leaon79s on Jun 30, 2016 8:39:31 GMT
stratogustav Seeing as you have most of the games, if you ever intend to start playing you have 3 clear choices for a starting point: - MGS3 Snake Eater to start from the beginning of the story <= To get to Phantom Pain the fastest!
 - Metal Gear (the old 2D) to start from the beginning of the franchise <= Recommended by Cervantes.
 - Metal Gear Solid 1 to start from when the franchise became popular <= It's kewl, but if the DL code doesn't work anymore...
It's a simple matter of choosing one, so might as well just choose the 'best' one. Hint: Click here if it's not already obvious!....  @khador Hah, I actually like the dragging. Especially if it's a woman. Makes much more sense than Fulton. I'm just a savage so what can I say...
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 30, 2016 8:56:41 GMT
leaon79s Yup, I'm starting with MGS3. According to you this is my timeline to follow: 1. Snake Eater 1964 2. Peace Walker 1974 3. Ground Zeroes the 1975 At this point I need to buy: 4. The Phantom Pain 1984 Then I keep going with: 5. Metal Gear 1995 6. Solid Snake 1999 7. Sons Of Liberty 2009 8. Guns Of The Patriots 2014 However I still don't know where to place the other 4 games in the package.
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Post by leaon79s on Jun 30, 2016 9:43:31 GMT
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Post by stratogustav on Jun 30, 2016 9:52:17 GMT
So basically you are saying that Twin Snakes is the same thing as the DLC which according to Pimpjira is the VR Missions. If my DLC does not work, I'll probably just buy the code again on the PSN, hopefully they still sell it. I will try my code tomorrow to see what happens. |
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Post by Imperial Khador on Jun 30, 2016 10:08:52 GMT
No, the Twin Snakes is a full remake of Metal Gear Solid on the PS1, for the Gamecube. The VR Missions is just a pack of stealth and combat scenarios with the engine used for MGS on the PS1, but with no story. I think leaon79s had noticed that your playthrough timeline went straight from Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, but skipped Metal Gear Solid (either the PS1 version, or the Twin Snakes Gamecube remake). |
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Post by leaon79s on Jun 30, 2016 10:09:05 GMT
The Twin Snakes is a remake of the entire story of Metal Gear Solid 1 - It is NOT VR missions.
In the Legacy collection (that you're using) both Metal Gear Solid 1 & the VR Missions add-on require DL codes, or am I mistaken?
Do they actually include Metal Gear Solid 1 in the Disc?
If they do then GREAT!!!!
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), I don't know much about it.
But then, get ready for a completely different gameplay and tone.
That's why play both if you can! 
