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Post by fsfsxii on Jan 21, 2016 9:37:54 GMT
Well since this is a political topic, time to give my 2 cents. Anyone ever notice how the entire world is against ISIS? Reports claim that the entire group is composed of 30k, yet they have a large playing field. There is something which is just isn't right. And taking into account that they're 30k vs 100 nation troops, i find it baffling that they still exist without help of someone at large. Not pointing fingers at anyone in specific, but logically that wouldn't make sense, if the entire globe is up against them, they shouldnt survive more than a week, yet they have high tech camera, a frikkin garage full of cars (Toyotas btw  ) and lots of weapons. Personally, i think its a well executed play on the weak minds, if a dunce like me could spot these things i assume everyone could. |
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Post by Balder on Jan 21, 2016 11:19:51 GMT
fsfsxii things aren't as simple as you put it. Even though the "whole" world is against ISIS doesn't make it so that the world will exterminate them as soon as possible. There are a lot of variable that are in play.
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Post by fsfsxii on Jan 21, 2016 12:23:21 GMT
fsfsxii things aren't as simple as you put it. Even though the "whole" world is against ISIS doesn't make it so that the world will exterminate them as soon as possible. There are a lot of variable that are in play. Remember the Gulf War? Yeah, it wasn't as rogue as this one, but it was done quickly. Sure, ISIS isn't as strong, but it just doesn't make sense. I guess there isn't an incentive for others to roll in when the natural resources for the hot zones are all up and gone. But let me clarify, my point is, who's supporting them? and since they're in syria, no one hears of their deaths, or the russians for that matter, only civvies and freedom fighters. |
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Post by Balder on Jan 21, 2016 12:54:02 GMT
fsfsxii well that is the interesting point; who gave them resources? It's just that I'm not a big fan of the war on terror scheme. If history has taught us anything, it is that bombing blindly into terrorist land is not a great idea.
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Post by fsfsxii on Jan 21, 2016 12:59:19 GMT
Balder i would agree with that. But they can do more than barging in, for instance, they could siege their entire field of existence, cut off food and support. That way there is no way they're gonna survive. Having seen the recent events of the group bombing mosques and killing innocent people, i was sure that they have someone behind them backing them up.
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Post by hatsunemiku598 on Jan 21, 2016 15:34:52 GMT
If you dont bomb them, they bomb you.
There is no work around it.
Thats why its called WAR.
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Post by Balder on Jan 21, 2016 17:10:41 GMT
fsfsxii the problem is that if you cut off their food, you also cut off the civilian's food. And that's not fair. hatsunemiku598 I'm sorry, but that is just plain ignorant of you to say. Many wars have been avoided because fortunately some people sees how to work around it.
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Post by Cervantes on Jan 21, 2016 17:14:37 GMT
hatsunemiku598 - Balder is right. Just imagine the Cuban missile crisis being solved with the "we must bomb them first" mentality. *shrugs*
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Post by Balder on Jan 21, 2016 17:47:59 GMT
hatsunemiku598 - Balder is right. Just imagine the Cuban missile crisis being solved with the "we must bomb them first" mentality. *shrugs* It was the first thing that came to mind. Or what about the Korean war? Nuclear warfare was in the talks. The Cold War in general is a great example. |
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Post by Guilion on Jan 21, 2016 23:29:36 GMT
Well since this is a political topic, time to give my 2 cents. Anyone ever notice how the entire world is against ISIS? Reports claim that the entire group is composed of 30k, yet they have a large playing field. There is something which is just isn't right. And taking into account that they're 30k vs 100 nation troops, i find it baffling that they still exist without help of someone at large. Not pointing fingers at anyone in specific, but logically that wouldn't make sense, if the entire globe is up against them, they shouldnt survive more than a week, yet they have high tech camera, a frikkin garage full of cars (Toyotas btw ) and lots of weapons. Personally, i think its a well executed play on the weak minds, if a dunce like me could spot these things i assume everyone could. fsfsxii well that is the interesting point; who gave them resources? It's just that I'm not a big fan of the war on terror scheme. In my opinion the main reason of why ISIS is still a thing isn't so much about about resources or support. Rather it's about intimacy and counter-intelligence, knowing who is and isn't a member of ISIS is quite hard when some of them dress up as tourists and single handedly kill up to thirty people before law enforcement can even show up . While the official numbers claim ISIS is made up of 30,000 people, US intelligence believes the number of members is actually over 200,000 all of which are incredibly hard to catch once you take into consideration most of them look like ordinary people, hell they even have their own fucking "How not to look like a terrorist" instruction booklet (Read at your own risk). They're also extremists which means unless ALL of them are erradicated another one can just pick up the flag and keep the ball rolling. So yeah, those are my two cents as to why "The world can't just kill ISIS" as easily as it sounds |
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Post by fsfsxii on Jan 22, 2016 0:55:01 GMT
Well since this is a political topic, time to give my 2 cents. Anyone ever notice how the entire world is against ISIS? Reports claim that the entire group is composed of 30k, yet they have a large playing field. There is something which is just isn't right. And taking into account that they're 30k vs 100 nation troops, i find it baffling that they still exist without help of someone at large. Not pointing fingers at anyone in specific, but logically that wouldn't make sense, if the entire globe is up against them, they shouldnt survive more than a week, yet they have high tech camera, a frikkin garage full of cars (Toyotas btw ) and lots of weapons. Personally, i think its a well executed play on the weak minds, if a dunce like me could spot these things i assume everyone could. fsfsxii well that is the interesting point; who gave them resources? It's just that I'm not a big fan of the war on terror scheme. In my opinion the main reason of why ISIS is still a thing isn't so much about about resources or support. Rather it's about intimacy and counter-intelligence, knowing who is and isn't a member of ISIS is quite hard when some of them dress up as tourists and single handedly kill up to thirty people before law enforcement can even show up . While the official numbers claim ISIS is made up of 30,000 people, US intelligence believes the number of members is actually over 200,000 all of which are incredibly hard to catch once you take into consideration most of them look like ordinary people, hell they even have their own fucking "How not to look like a terrorist" instruction booklet (Read on your own risk). They're also extremists which means unless ALL of them are erradicated another one can just pick up the flag and keep the ball rolling. So yeah, those are my two cents as to why "The world can't just kill ISIS" as easily as it sounds I agree, i was just commenting on the whole farce of no one being able to eradicate them within a year. So for almost 2 years its been an intelligence war, a war they couldn't possibly win or even stand a chance. But oh well, seems like a select few countries are actually fighting them. |
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Post by lukefonfabre388 on Jan 22, 2016 1:11:05 GMT
I think this whole war on terror thing is just going to go on for years and years. Like guillion said you can't know for sure if that guy is with Isis or not he may have nothing to do with them or he could be affiliated with someone else. You can't just kill everyone because you suspect that they are an Isis member you got to know for sure. Even if you take out a key Isis leader they probably have a successor lined up in case he is killed or injured.
I would like to see NATO come down hard on Isis and I think if countries worked together they could do some serious damage to Isis. NATO would hold such a distinct advantage over them too if they were all against them at once. Isis does not have a navy or an airforce but they have money and money can get you things in this world.
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Post by spidershinobi on Jan 22, 2016 2:39:04 GMT
I think this whole war on terror thing is just going to go on for years and years. Like guillion said you can't know for sure if that guy is with Isis or not he may have nothing to do with them or he could be affiliated with someone else. You can't just kill everyone because you suspect that they are an Isis member you got to know for sure. Even if you take out a key Isis leader they probably have a successor lined up in case he is killed or injured. I would like to see NATO come down hard on Isis and I think if countries worked together they could do some serious damage to Isis. NATO would hold such a distinct advantage over them too if they were all against them at once. Isis does not have a navy or an airforce but they have money and money can get you things in this world. I'm not entirely sure if they have money, at least to me it sounds like they're being financed by a different party, and if they lose power along the way or if they change their objectives the resources may stop coming in for them. What they do have is manpower, and what makes it complicated is that most of that force is composed of low-intelligence spies: what I mean is that these people actually believe in whatever their perceived leaders say about their groups's ideology. Let's face it, if you have any fighter group and you begin to get substantial investment, chances are that will be your life now, fighting for that specific money; I highly doubt ISIS is different, whatever they wanted to do in the beginning just isn't their most important struggle anymore. And I'm saying this because you would want NATO to come down hard on ISIS, but the fact that the group may be composed of an army of spies means that successfully destroying their leadership and base (which is entirely possible) won't be enough to kill off an army of 200000 spies who believe in an ideology that was presented/forced on them. But I stand by this: if the group had any ideology at one point, it's far in the past and is used solely as means of growing and maintaining manpower; all that they seem to be right now is a rogue army paid by unknown(?) investors. |
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Post by hatsunemiku598 on Jan 22, 2016 4:12:13 GMT
So whats the most loving and peaceful way do you think we should deal with isis and radical islam?
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Post by Balder on Jan 22, 2016 5:53:00 GMT
lukefonfabre388 I agree, you can't kill/arrest someone unless you actually know who they are (actually I don't believe in killing so scratch that). Everyone is innocent until proven otherwise. hatsunemiku598 I don't have the answer to this crisis, but I know enough that simply raging a war blindly in their direction won't do any good. There are tons of examples where a non-violent campaign has won wars.
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