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Post by stratogustav on Jul 27, 2016 3:13:03 GMT
The good is obscured to me because i wasn't alive back then As much as I fucking love modern fighters, the golden era of fighting games was from 1999 to 2003. - Capcom Vs. SNK 2 - Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 ... are the best fighting games of all time. Some of the games of the era did receive a competitive update later on like the Ultimate Match versions of KOF '98 and KOF 2002. But the core elements that made the games from that generation the amazing masterpieces they are was already established in the original versions. Then the genre went down for the upcoming rythmn dance revolution, and didn't see the light of the day until Street Fighter IV came and said is enough, it is time to show again who is boss, and that's how all those amazing games we have today came to existence. In fact I would argue it was Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom who said it's game on from now on. Under Night In-Birth, Persona 4 Arena, Guilty Gear Xrd, BlazBlue Chronophantasma Extend, Blade Arcus, Dengeki Bunko, Nitroplus Blasterz, Phantom Breaker, etc.. ... are the equivalent of what... Fu'un, Garou - Real Bout - Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, Darkstalkers, Marvel Super Heroes, Art Of Fighting, KOF, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, World Heroes, Galaxy Fight, Red Earth, etc.. ... were. I do however admire how Killer Instinct and Mortal Kombat have evolved because while coming from the West they still kick ass. By the way, the 3D fighters of the time were already bringing the competition to modern standards as seen in Dead Or Alive, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Virtua Fighter, etc..
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Post by licensedgames on Jul 29, 2016 10:12:18 GMT
Adam Koralik is a swell, guy. What's a swell, man? An goofy, outdated term for something good or wonderful.
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Post by Cervantes on Jul 29, 2016 12:32:14 GMT
I STILL REFUSE TO DISCUSS THIS AGAIN. Ok, just a quick thought: I dislike the idea of dividing generations. I mean, what generation is really the PC-Engine? Or the MSX2? Or the Jaguar? The 3DO? For PC players like me, its even worse. See, Half-life 2 was a 2004 release, but it sure as hell doesn't look like a PS2/GC/XBOX game (it received a XBOX port, but it's severely downgraded), and is more adequately compared to 360/PS3 games, although the 360 was released only a year later. Or take System Shock 2 - it's a 1999 release, but it can't be compared to PS1/N64 games, and while it had a planned Dreamcast release, it was going to be, again, severely downgraded. Hell, I don't think even the PS2 could run it; the XBOX or GC could, but then the controls would be wildly inappropriate. So, what generation would be it? And the portables like the GBA, how can we talk about generations considering them? It's really complicated when we try to fit these systems/releases in generations.
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Post by stratogustav on Jul 29, 2016 16:06:20 GMT
Cervantes I would say date of release is more important to fit something into a generation than graphics fidelity. However I do agree with your point. There are many Arcade ports in the 80s and 90s that look far superior than anything that came out on consoles and would make you doubt where to put them. However I would argue that the older console port would be the one to call it on. For example if Donkey Kong came for the Atari 2600 before it came out for the NES, it would make it a second gen game even while the Arcade edition would look better than both of those versions. We also have cases like the Neo Geo that overlapped over 3 generations, all the way from Fatal Fury in 1991 when the SNES was starting to take off to let's say Samurai Shodown V that still came out for the system in 2004 only a year before the Xbox 360 was released. So it can get complicated.
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Post by spidershinobi on Jul 29, 2016 17:09:27 GMT
Golden Era is certainly NOT the same as best era. Fighting games were at their best these latest years, what was at their best in 99 or before were arcades.
My favorite generation is the Wii/Ps3/360/WiiU/3DS/vanillaPs4/vanillaXbOne because of how much could finally be perfected. Several concepts that could only be done on the Xbox could finally be brought over to other consoles.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jul 29, 2016 23:06:48 GMT
My favorite generation is the Wii/Ps3/360/WiiU/3DS/vanillaPs4/vanillaXbOne That's two generations, ya dirty cheater.
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Post by spidershinobi on Jul 30, 2016 1:08:01 GMT
My favorite generation is the Wii/Ps3/360/WiiU/3DS/vanillaPs4/vanillaXbOne That's two generations, ya dirty cheater. Japan isn't aware yet. All their major releases for Ps4 are currently also Ps3 releases. I say that we are still living in the generation started around 10 years ago; gotta wait for Scorpio, Neo and NX.
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Post by Balder on Jul 30, 2016 12:54:33 GMT
That's two generations, ya dirty cheater. Japan isn't aware yet. All their major releases for Ps4 are currently also Ps3 releases. I say that we are still living in the generation started around 10 years ago; gotta wait for Scorpio, Neo and NX. Nope, Scorpio and Neo are in the same gen as vanilla Xbox One and Ps4. While the NX on the other hand; I've got no fucking clue what it'll be.
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Post by stratogustav on Jul 30, 2016 19:28:39 GMT
I'm voting "5th" as that seems to be the correct one based on what has been said in other posts. I'm not a RPG fan, but a lot of people are because the games are great. So someone that likes RPGs will probably disagree on that one despite how good that generation was because besides the original PlayStation which was pretty much a RPG machine, all other systems from that generation almost entirely banned all RPGs from their consoles as seen with the Nintendo 64, the Sega Saturn, the Neo Geo CD, etc..
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Post by Guilion on Aug 2, 2016 16:56:11 GMT
Although I love the sixth one I'll have to vote for the fifth one. With the playstation dominating the entire market a couple of interesting things happened. First of all 3D games were heavily experimented on and resulted in both extremely mediocre shovelware and good games with interesting concepts that haven't seen the light of day since. And on the other hand 2D games were of an unprecedented high quality in order to be able to compete with the 3D games.
Overall I think we need another experimental generation like that one, I feel 3 generations later we are still riding the big wave that generation caused and as such genres are starting to feel stale.
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 2, 2016 21:31:54 GMT
I feel 3 generations later we are still riding the big wave that generation caused and as such genres are starting to feel stale. Well said. I completely agree with this statement. So far the best idea I've seen to exit from that state is VR, but just like with the Wii U, not many will be able to afford that extra hardware and a lot of people will miss on it. The good thing is that VR is here to stay so people will be able to catch up eventually. What is uncertain is how far into the future this will happen, where the technology truly becomes accessible. I guess the timing will depend on how strong is that initial boost. However regardless of 2D games demonstrating who is boss to 3D, while 3D games were taking off with an identity, I would say the 6th gen was the one for that. It was also the last gen where we would get a complete final product out of the box that would allow us to enjoy the full vision of the developer from the start. Not to mention the biggest non-indie library. I still find myself hard to choose because the 2D eras of the 2nd gen, 3rd gen, and 4th gen were so amazing, and ambitious that it is very hard not to appreciate the outstanding creativity with which those titles succeeded in conveying so much with so little.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 2, 2016 23:04:40 GMT
The good thing is that VR is here to stay Just like motion controls.
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 2, 2016 23:35:53 GMT
Just like motion controls. Motion controls will eventually fade out once "kinect" technology becomes more functional. However it looks that we will have them for a while in the meantime.
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Post by leaon79s on Aug 3, 2016 3:21:39 GMT
I'm still waiting on the coding for smell.
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Post by Balder on Aug 3, 2016 15:04:39 GMT
Is it just me that has never cared for motion controls or VR in gaming? It seems like such a gimmick. And just to be clear, I have tried it.
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