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Post by scipioafricanus on Dec 31, 2016 15:28:32 GMT
A good history lesson about the Sega Master system and the origin of the company:
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Post by dschult3 on Jan 1, 2017 17:45:04 GMT
I liked that one a lot. I especially liked the Brazilian perspective. Brazil seems like a market too many companies have passed up. Although, isn't there some sort of insane tariff on electronic imports there? Maybe that is why you don't hear about a lot of competition.
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Post by stratogustav on Jan 5, 2017 3:04:49 GMT
In hindsight I feel the MSX was the superior console of that generation after the NES. Yet the Master System was still able to surpass it in terms of historic relevance.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 5, 2017 19:15:27 GMT
Yet the Master System was still able to surpass it in terms of historic relevance. How so?
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Post by stratogustav on Jan 6, 2017 9:45:29 GMT
I just think the MSX has better exclusives like Castlevania and Metal Gear.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 6, 2017 15:16:39 GMT
I just think the MSX has better exclusives like Castlevania and Metal Gear. But... those games were on the NES.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 6, 2017 15:17:58 GMT
*And NOT the Master System.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 6, 2017 15:19:39 GMT
And how does the MSX tie in to all of this?
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Post by Cervantes on Jan 6, 2017 18:53:40 GMT
I liked that one a lot. I especially liked the Brazilian perspective. Brazil seems like a market too many companies have passed up. Although, isn't there some sort of insane tariff on electronic imports there? Maybe that is why you don't hear about a lot of competition. Yep, there is. I don't know how are the taxes for retail stores (I hope they are a bit lower), but for consumers the main tax for imports is 60% of the price ( including what you paid for shipping!) for products over US$ 50,00 - the exception are books and printed material in general. There's also an 1% tax for international transactions, plus an additional fee of R$ 12,00 (US$ 3,50) to pay to the post office. So, let's say something costs US$ 300,00. Shipping from US usually goes for 22,00 if it's not a big product. All things considered, its final price will be around 499,92. But you still must consider how low are the wages in Brazil, the minimum wage right now is around US$ 293,00 (and most people are on minimum wage, sadly). So, as you may guess, importing is a nightmare, and that's why piracy always thrived over here. To my luck, some online stores in the US, knowing this, will declare a lower value to the post office when shipping to Brazil. Last time, I bought around US$ 150,00 in DS/3DS games, but I didn't pay the 60% tax because they declared a value of just 30,00. There was much rejoice.
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Post by stratogustav on Jan 6, 2017 19:39:03 GMT
But... those games were on the NES. Not the same games. The MSX ones were better in my opinion. However that's why I said the MSX was the superior consoles after the NES because the library on the NES is unmatchable, even for current consoles. The Master System is more relevant than the MSX because its popularity. The MSX is indeed obscure. The MSX is the only half Western console I actually defend. It's like a mix of PlayStation and Xbox for the time. Produced by Microsoft and manufactured by Sony, the MSX is the native home of: - Aleste - Bomberman - Castlevania - Contra - Dragon Quest - Final Fantasy - Gradius - Metal Gear - Parodius - Puyo Puyo - R-Type - Zanac Along with other franchises also born there, mostly RPG, like Xak and Ys.
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Post by dschult3 on Jan 6, 2017 21:56:23 GMT
I liked that one a lot. I especially liked the Brazilian perspective. Brazil seems like a market too many companies have passed up. Although, isn't there some sort of insane tariff on electronic imports there? Maybe that is why you don't hear about a lot of competition. Yep, there is. I don't know how are the taxes for retail stores (I hope they are a bit lower), but for consumers the main tax for imports is 60% of the price ( including what you paid for shipping!) for products over US$ 50,00 - the exception are books and printed material in general. There's also an 1% tax for international transactions, plus an additional fee of R$ 12,00 (US$ 3,50) to pay to the post office. So, let's say something costs US$ 300,00. Shipping from US usually goes for 22,00 if it's not a big product. All things considered, its final price will be around 499,92. But you still must consider how low are the wages in Brazil, the minimum wage right now is around US$ 293,00 (and most people are on minimum wage, sadly). So, as you may guess, importing is a nightmare, and that's why piracy always thrived over here. To my luck, some online stores in the US, knowing this, will declare a lower value to the post office when shipping to Brazil. Last time, I bought around US$ 150,00 in DS/3DS games, but I didn't pay the 60% tax because they declared a value of just 30,00. There was much rejoice. So, do most companies license their systems and games to a Brazilian company to make like Sega did?
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 7, 2017 22:17:16 GMT
stratogustav got it. I misunderstood your post. I thought you were calling the MSX the most important console (?) of the generation. Which I would have disagreed with.
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Post by Cervantes on Jan 7, 2017 22:50:51 GMT
So, do most companies license their systems and games to a Brazilian company to make like Sega did? Nintedo had a licensee called Playtronic in the 90s, but after this company folded, Nintendo just quit the market, remaining import-only. Microsoft already had a huge presence in Brazil, so the brazilian Xboxes are produced locally (at least from the 360 onwards, I don't know about the original Xbox). Sony didn't have local presence until a few years ago (I think they have, nowadays, locally produced consoles); but, surprisingly, PS1/2 were the most popular consoles through the late 90s/early 2000s, and the reason is simple: while the consoles themselves were expensive (since the were imported goods), it was absurdly easy to find pirated games and places to mod the consoles. Another thing that has a strong presence here is PC gaming. PC hardware/software is subject to some tax exemptions, so it's much cheaper to buy a very powerful PC than a PS4/Xbone. Also, the prices for digital games in stores like Steam are just the original prices converted to the local currency - sometimes even cheaper. For consoles, the physical copies are absurdly expensive, and sometimes the digital store will use the same price as retail so to keep retailers happy or something. PC gaming is really the most affordable thing here. So, I think only Nintendo and Sega used licensees; other companies either ignored the market or produced themselves locally. Another thing must be said about Sega/Tectoy's presence here: although Master Systems/Mega Drives are sold in stores even nowadays, they are sold as "children's toys", not really as consoles - more or less like the AT&T consoles in the US. Ever since the late 90s, Playstations are the most common consoles (although I think the 360 must have sold better than the PS3), and stores are always selling the current one. I say this because it's common to find reports saying that brazilians are still playing on Sega consoles or something... I mean, I'm playing on my Saturn, but that's because I play retro games! It's not like people don't play on their PS4s/Xbones/PCs. Edit: I don't know much about Atari's presence. I know console-clones of the Atari 2600 were very, very common through the 80s, as I had one myself. I don't know if official Atari consoles were ever sold.
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Post by stratogustav on Jan 8, 2017 0:35:23 GMT
stratogustav got it. I misunderstood your post. I thought you were calling the MSX the most important console (?) of the generation. Which I would have disagreed with. The NES and the Master System had more relevance. I would still put the MSX above the Master System, but the Master System had more popularity overall. The NES was definitely the most important as it saved the industry and popularized the most important I.P.s such as Mario and Zelda.
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