dschult3
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Post by dschult3 on Jan 18, 2017 1:26:53 GMT
I caught an advertisement for Equity Arcade today. It is a website set up for crowd funding as an investment. Their objective is to get rid of crappy rewards (like t-shirts), yet it will give you a cut of the profits. Personally, I like the idea. Dividends are a far superior way to get interest in an investment. Here is their website: Equity ArcadeWhat do you guys think?
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 18, 2017 9:27:43 GMT
Bad idea. With sites like Kickstarter, Indiegogo, Patreon, etc. your "investors" are essentially just customers. Their contributions are really just very expensive pre-orders. If they become "real" investors, they will have a stake in your project. They will have a say. And these aren't investors that you met with and know, they're random people on the internet. Who may become very demanding when a project needs to be changed or a release date needs to be delayed.
I can see why a project backer would like this idea, but the one-time cost of the rewards system seems way more palatable to me for creators.
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Post by dschult3 on Jan 19, 2017 1:46:13 GMT
Bad idea. With sites like Kickstarter, Indiegogo, Patreon, etc. your "investors" are essentially just customers. Their contributions are really just very expensive pre-orders. If they become "real" investors, they will have a stake in your project. They will have a say. And these aren't investors that you met with and know, they're random people on the internet. Who may become very demanding when a project needs to be changed or a release date needs to be delayed. I can see why a project backer would like this idea, but the one-time cost of the rewards system seems way more palatable to me for creators. I hate the current state of crowd funding, because it is nothing but crap shoot. To me, if you are a financial backer, then you can push the project to completion. It gives the backers power. I can see where you are coming from though. Perhaps they can create a clause in which the creative license belongs to the developer only? You, as a backer, provide the funds and the incentive to get it done.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 19, 2017 19:15:39 GMT
I hate the current state of crowd funding, because it is nothing but crap shoot. To me, if you are a financial backer, then you can push the project to completion. It gives the backers power. I can see where you are coming from though. Perhaps they can create a clause in which the creative license belongs to the developer only? You, as a backer, provide the funds and the incentive to get it done. It will always be a crap shoot, though. Whether you get lame key-chains and T-shirts as a reward or if you get a share of the profits, there will never be a guarantee that the project will be successful or even that it will be completed. Some people promise beyond what they can provide. No amount of "financial power" (or whatever you want to call it) can force a creator to make the impossible happen, even if the creator promised they could. I see your point and it's a fair one. I should have clarified in my first post: as a backer, I would rather share in the profit, too. But I think a creator would have to be an idiot to ignore the Kickstarter-style options in favor of something like Equity Arcade. If I read everything correctly, Equity Arcade is just like oldschool fundraising, but with internet. The backers would be shareholders. Shareholders need regular updates and in depth info on how a project is doing/where it's heading. As opposed to customers (Kickstarter), who may like having that info, but aren't entitled to it by any means. What's worse - these are shareholders you've never met! I can't imagine why a creator would choose that over the other options. Equity Arcade mentions keeping a higher percentage of the raised capital, but the cost of the rewards gets factored into the total goal on Kickstarter anyway. So it makes no difference.
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Post by Cervantes on Jan 19, 2017 21:40:36 GMT
This just screams "legal nightmare" to me. Must also be a nightmare to accountants.
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Post by Guilion on Jan 19, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
This actually isn't that fresh of an idea. Tim Schafer, the man behind Psychonauts despicted in the pictures below: Has his own scam crowdfunding platform called Fig. Which works under the exact same business model (Except for Shcafer which is excempt of the rules because he is running the scam crowdfunding platform). There are a lot of issues with this model, however the main couple of issues is that: a) Tim gets all the hoes, weed and dough.a) The return on the investment really isn't that big and as a matter of fact making $500 Tim dollars back takes forever. b) It's in-house only as in foreigners (Which weirdly enough are majority in this site for some reason) can go trim Tim's hedges invest in some other crowdfunding site because every single cent gets deducted into taxes and/or dissapears entirely because the system relies 100% on the investors being US taxpayers. Overall I can't say I'm entirely in love with the business model, I actually preffer the normal crowdfunding method as it's healthier in the long run for both people investing and developers in the long run.
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Post by dschult3 on Jan 20, 2017 0:29:15 GMT
I like all of your takes on this one. I really don't know how to feel about it. It does sound a bit iffy, to say the least. To me, kickstarters and "go fund me's" feel a little like the bush leagues when it comes to video gaming. I'd like to see the idea evolve into something more efficient. Don't get me wrong...I don't know if this particular site is the future, but it sure is intriguing to me. Guilion's scam guy looks awful, so I hope it isn't the same. I agree with Cervantes perspective on the legal nightmare part, but I'm sure it could be run like a company offering an IPO. @dan E. Kool, I feel like you're absolutely right about the developers lacking enthusiasm about this. Perhaps it could be a great incentive for them if they have an awesome idea, yet it failed to reach its launch goal on another crowdfunding site. This could be like a "Shark Tank" for game developers. Higher and medium level investors could get a game launched without needing the help of thousands upon thousands of people.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 20, 2017 9:41:08 GMT
dschult3 That's true. With the current fundraiser they have live on the site, 100 grand gets you a 30% share!
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Jan 20, 2017 23:54:18 GMT
Must also be a nightmare to accountants. Accountants' jobs are a nightmare regardless.
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Post by Cervantes on Jan 21, 2017 5:01:25 GMT
Must also be a nightmare to accountants. Accountants' jobs are a nightmare regardless. Obligatory Monty Python sketch:
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Post by dschult3 on Feb 11, 2022 2:04:49 GMT
Apparently, this company no longer exists. So much for that idea.
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Post by stratogustav on Feb 17, 2022 18:45:36 GMT
Some ideas just don't get attention and then they go, others just are not well managed, but often they tend to come back one way or another.
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