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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 28, 2017 22:18:45 GMT
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. Thomas Sowell
One of the bitter ironies of the 20th century was that communism, which began as an egalitarian doctrine accusing capitalism of selfishness and calloused sacrifices of others, became in power a system whose selfishness and callousness toward others made the sins of capitalism pale. Thomas Sowell
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 29, 2017 1:30:43 GMT
In order to win something great you have to lose something equally great, whether is time, money, happiness, unity, empathy, love, freedom, security, privacy, health, etc., everything comes at a price. You basically choose what you want to win by choosing what you want to lose. That's the case for every individual, and as a consequence that is the case for every country as well.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 29, 2017 1:33:43 GMT
In order to win something great you have to lose something equally great, whether is time, money, happiness, unity, empathy, love, freedom, security, privacy, health, etc., everything comes at a price. You basically choose what you want to win by choosing what you want to lose. That's the case for every individual, and as a consequence that is the case for every country as well.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Mar 29, 2017 13:37:37 GMT
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. Thomas Sowell The best example, imo, is Cold War Germany. Split down the middle, one side is capitalist, the other socialist. They both start with the same people, the same culture, from equal ruins. But when the Wall came down 40 years later, guess which side had to rebuild the other.
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Post by Balder on Mar 29, 2017 14:18:52 GMT
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. Thomas Sowell The best example, imo, is Cold War Germany. Split down the middle, one side is capitalist, the other socialist. They both start with the same people, the same culture, from equal ruins. But when the Wall came down 40 years later, guess which side had to rebuild the other. That's not a fair comparison. The US helped West Germany rebuild their industry while the Soviet Union basically stripped them down of industry.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 29, 2017 15:24:09 GMT
The best example, imo, is Cold War Germany. Split down the middle, one side is capitalist, the other socialist. They both start with the same people, the same culture, from equal ruins. But when the Wall came down 40 years later, guess which side had to rebuild the other. That's not a fair comparison. The US helped West Germany rebuild their industry while the Soviet Union basically stripped them down of industry. Doesn't that prove the point the overall point?
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Post by Balder on Mar 29, 2017 15:29:20 GMT
That's not a fair comparison. The US helped West Germany rebuild their industry while the Soviet Union basically stripped them down of industry. Doesn't that prove the point the overall point? It shows how the Soviet Union made terrible decisions regardless of their ideology.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 29, 2017 18:53:04 GMT
Doesn't that prove the point the overall point? It shows how the Soviet Union Communist nations make terrible decisions regardless of their ideology.
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Post by Balder on Mar 29, 2017 19:47:38 GMT
It shows how the Soviet Union Communist nations make terrible decisions regardless of their ideology. That's the same as blaming the US' warmongering on Capitalism.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Mar 29, 2017 19:53:56 GMT
Doesn't that prove the point the overall point? It shows how the Soviet Union made terrible decisions regardless of their ideology. No, it proves the point! The overall point!
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 29, 2017 22:43:12 GMT
I think what you don't get about Balder is that he doesn't think of communism in the hardcore ways the average American thinks of it. He grew up in Scandinavia with Socialism, all he has seen are socialist ideas being successful all his life. So when he thinks of communism he can't relate how countries with authoritarian governments have implemented similar ideas and failed miserably. It is the same with people that grew up with heavy capitalists ideas that don't realize they have lived in a country with extended periods of balances, where socialist ideas had been implemented too. If you talk to them about Argentina and how having a country ruled by the free market and with no economic regulations, turned the entire country into complete chaos, they can't comprehend that, and would never admit that was the case.
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Post by fsfsxii on Mar 29, 2017 23:13:15 GMT
Is Shinra a Caopitalist company?
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 30, 2017 2:18:36 GMT
Is Shinra a Caopitalist company? Are the X-Men communists? Is Iceman gay? I was just playing with some of my friend's Legends figures, and those questions arised.
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Post by Balder on Mar 30, 2017 6:51:44 GMT
Is Shinra a Caopitalist company? Is Iceman gay? Have you seen the original X-Men trilogy? The guy's a fucking pimp!
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Post by fsfsxii on Mar 30, 2017 10:38:04 GMT
Is Shinra a Caopitalist company? Are the X-Men communists? Is Iceman gay? I was just playing with some of my friend's Legends figures, and those questions arised. Super- mutated-human centipede ?
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