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Post by spidershinobi on Apr 14, 2017 15:49:49 GMT
Final Fantasy games usually sell millions, so I'm aware that in terms of marketing/sales FFVX did good. But if you think about it, FFXIII, the alleged beginning of the downward-spiral of the series, also sold a lot! My question isn't about sales, but rather the strength of that franchise and overall quality of the product. I have noticed that one month after FFVX was released there wasn't any talk of it left, and while 1 month is usually a good time for a game to be talked about, it's weird when so many people bought it... Compare it to Dark Souls, released in 2011, and you'll see how the silence regarding FFVX feels wrong. Is FFVX in the same category as GTAV - yes, there is a game called Grand Theft Auto 5, you just don't remember it exists - or is the silence just waiting to be broken by someone suddenly finding out about huge awesome things undiscovered somewhere in that game?
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Post by dschult3 on Apr 14, 2017 17:04:49 GMT
I haven't looked at the analytics, but as for the buzz aspect, Final Fantasy really wasn't known for long time buzz until 7. Perhaps the hype has died down a bit, so that the games can be judged on their own accord? Everyone I know who has played it, loves it. I don't think long term praise will exist in the modern market, since we live in a hyper active production schedule. Every time a new game comes out, I think the producer can only get about a months worth of hype. Before you know it, something else pops up on the market. I believe it can only be judged by the modern market's standards.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Apr 14, 2017 20:25:18 GMT
I'm still playing 20+ year old games. The number of people talking about a game means jack to me.
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Post by leaon79s on Apr 15, 2017 0:52:54 GMT
Whatever, it doesn't matter, cause Nier's the best. 'Cause 2B is so beuwtifel...
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Post by spidershinobi on Apr 16, 2017 2:18:42 GMT
leaon79sYou know what? If that is your point of view, then you're right. Doesn't matter what the subject is. I don't think long term praise will exist in the modern market, since we live in a hyper active production schedule. Oh it is still there. I mentioned Dark Souls because the first game still gets mentioned here and there, just like Persona 4, Resonance of Fate/End of Eternity, and a couple of years ago Folklore was mentioned here and there. FFVII and IX are often remembered too. As an aggravating factor, I was browsing the play store when I noticed that one companion game (for FFXV) for Android had been terminated, and along with reports that the companion movie was problematic, I get this feeling that any success on it is more "artificial" than anything.
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 17, 2017 7:05:13 GMT
You both make valid points spidershinobi and dschult3. I feel both worlds coexist mutually and paradoxicaly as many other things in real life. Final Fantasy XV is the real sequel to Final Fantasy XII when it comes to charts. Final Fantasy XIII and XIV may had sold just as well, but when it comes to competion in time of release, XV is the first one that actually reached the charting levels of VII, VIII, IX, X, X-II, XI, and XII, while XIII, XIII-II, and XIV simply sold as very succesful side projects in terms of charting, even when the number of copies still carried the name above the numbers of the actual side projects.
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Post by Cervantes on Apr 17, 2017 18:13:12 GMT
spidershinobi - This week I saw an article about The Witcher 3 and took some time to realize it is already a 2 years-old game that people are still celebrating. The Dead End Thrills website is still releasing new ultra-high-res screenshots for it, so it is still used as a graphics high-point; another article was discussing Mass Effect Andromeda's terrible facial animation, and people in the comments were pointing that The Witcher 3's animations were infinitely better without the developers ever using motion capture. My point is: you're right. People keep talking about great games for years, and these games can be paragons of quality for a long time; Final Fantasy was a series that was always among those games, but not anymore: there's no blurb about FF XV anywhere. I think people spent much more time examining FF XIII's successes and failures than XV's, and XIII is generally known as an average game at best. That's not to say FF XV was a bad game (most reviews praised it), but it is far from being a cultural phenomenon as The Witcher or Dark Souls are nowadays. By the way, you're talking about GTA V being forgotten, but it is consistently in Steam's top 10 sellers almost every week, so FFXV is not even on that same level. (I dare to say the last big Final Fantasy (that is, as a game that moved a huge number of console sales and people kept talking good things about for years) was FF X.)
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Post by teddykongcountry on Apr 17, 2017 20:35:59 GMT
"Low-key failure" is one way to put it but I'd also like to think of it as "Victim to Modern Gaming Expectations".
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Post by leaon79s on Apr 18, 2017 1:39:19 GMT
That's not to say FF XV was a bad game (most reviews praised it), but it is far from being a cultural phenomenon as The Witcher or Dark Souls are nowadays. Nier is the new cultural phenomenon!!
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Post by Cervantes on Apr 18, 2017 1:50:18 GMT
That's not to say FF XV was a bad game (most reviews praised it), but it is far from being a cultural phenomenon as The Witcher or Dark Souls are nowadays. Nier is the new cultural phenomenon!! I'm totally cool with this! Man, I still have to buy Automata. Maybe on Christmas...
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 18, 2017 5:39:23 GMT
It is weird because out of most people I know that had "finished" both, The Wither III and Final Fantasy XV, 100% say Final Fantasy XV is a far superior experience. However they don't praise it as let's say the entire Dark Souls series that they all consider simply as the best of the best.
On the other hand I feel that people that have played The Witcher III and has no interest or intention n "finishing" Final Fantasy XV, Bloodborne, or Dark Souls III, are very vocal about their love to The Witcher III regardless that they can't compare it to something else they yet have to experience all the way through.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Apr 18, 2017 10:55:55 GMT
It is weird because out of most people I know that had "finished" both, The Wither III and Final Fantasy XV, 100% say Final Fantasy XV is a far superior experience. However they don't praise it as let's say the entire Dark Souls series that they all consider simply as the best of the best. On the other hand I feel that people that have played The Witcher III and has no interest or intention n "finishing" Final Fantasy XV, Bloodborne, or Dark Souls III, are very vocal about their love to The Witcher III regardless that they can't compare it to something else they yet have to experience all the way through. I would be one of those. I have no interest in the others, but I played The Witcher III. Its praise is deserved when you look at where it came from. It wasn't created by established Japanese firms (after all, FF is on number 15), but it was released by a small firm in Poland, of all places.
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 18, 2017 16:59:49 GMT
I would be one of those. I have no interest in the others, but I played The Witcher III. Its praise is deserved when you look at where it came from. It wasn't created by established Japanese firms (after all, FF is on number 15), but it was released by a small firm in Poland, of all places. They are very diferent games so that approach makes perfect sense. You make a good point about CD Projekt RED, they indeed deserve the praising. I heard the Polish nation is helping out in founding Cyberpunk 2077. To me it is very interesting to know what would happen 7 years or so before the end.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Apr 18, 2017 21:54:52 GMT
I heard the Polish nation is helping out in founding Cyberpunk 2077. To me it is very interesting to know what would happen 7 years or so before the end. Say what?
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Post by Imperial Khador on Apr 18, 2017 22:55:44 GMT
I heard the Polish nation is helping out in founding Cyberpunk 2077. To me it is very interesting to know what would happen 7 years or so before the end. Say what? 7 years after 2077 is 2084. Your CGR lore should take you the rest of the way to the joke 😉
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