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Post by Cervantes on Aug 3, 2017 21:44:38 GMT
Haven't we created a topic to discuss that yet?
I watched it yesterday and thought it was pretty awesome. It may be legitimately the first time that I genuinely think a video game adaptation is great without straying too far from the game itself - it isn't just good for fans; I would recommend it to anyone who likes r-rated animation. It's very violent when it needs to be - it doesn't feel gratuitous and is mostly used to hammer the point that Dracula's invasion and the Middle Ages setting in general are terrifying.
The characterization was great (I really like how Trevor Belmont is depicted) and the dialogue was very well written. Some of the animation could use just a little more work, but it's obvious they didn't have a very high budget, and there was definitely more care for the scenes that demanded better animation (like an important fight in the fourth episode). For the visual style, they went for an animesque aesthetic (think of Legend of Korra) that work very well - it's not too close to Ayami Kojima's artwork (it would take a huge budget to do that), but is reminiscent enough of it.
My only complaint is the music. It's entirely new (none of the great music from the games is there) and I felt most of the soundtrack sounded very generic, which is especially obvious in the opening. You can't have a Castlevania adaptation without at least Vampire Killer and/or Bloody Tears, they must fix that for the second season.
It's also pretty short; it's four 20 minute episodes, so it is shorter than most movies. The second season will come with eight episodes, so that's even better if they can keep the same quality.
By the way, if anyone liked it, I also recommend watching Vampire Hunter D and its sequel. These are short OVAs from the 90s [EDIT: Actually, from 1985 and the sequel from 2000] that certainly inspired the post-Symphony entries in the Castlevania series and were the closest thing to Castlevania before the Netflix series. Here are trailers for the series (the trailer doesn't show how brutal the setting is) and for Vampire Hunter D:
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 3, 2017 22:16:46 GMT
I haven't read your post because I don't want spoilers yet. I watched the first episode and it was awesome. It reminded me of the quality of the Batman series in the 90s but with gore and stuff, which is great, blood is what Castlevania is all about.
I'm waiting on one of my brothers because we were watching it together. Otherwise I would had watched it already, it is only like 4 episodes I believe, which is sad. The writing of the first episode that I watched is so good that I'm sure the other ones are the same. They should had made at least 25 of those, it would had been awesome. With 4 it is basically just like a movie.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Aug 3, 2017 22:24:10 GMT
Vampire Hunter D is really good.
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Post by Cervantes on Aug 3, 2017 22:27:59 GMT
Vampire Hunter D is really good. Yes, it is. I'm going to watch the sequel (Bloodlust) this weekend if I get some extra time.
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Post by dschult3 on Aug 4, 2017 0:37:11 GMT
Cervantes I heard that they haven't played Bloody Tears! Blasphemy! I really want to see it, though...
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Post by spidershinobi on Aug 4, 2017 0:41:48 GMT
Maybe I got old faster than everyone else, but despite all the good things said about this series I still feel pessimism towards it.
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Post by Balder on May 20, 2021 20:29:50 GMT
I don't know if any of you have continued to watch this show, but since the show is now finished, I've begun watching the last season now. Season 3 was awful, and I can't say that season 4 is that good either. The dialogue in this show is just terrible all around. The voice actors sound amateurish too, so that doesn't help either. I thought the show was pretty good all up until the final battle with Dracula. Everything went downhill pretty quickly after that. I really don't care for the vampire politics and there is so much cringe sex dom/sub things going on, definitely weird and not like Castlevania. Season 1 was the best because of how consistent it was. Just four episodes, but each episode something fun happened. Season 3 and 4 have so much filler content and boring exposition scenes, it totally drags down what could have been a great show. What do you guys think?
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Post by Cervantes on May 21, 2021 11:12:47 GMT
I'll try to avoid spoilers, there's just some very light ones for season 3: Balder - While I do agree with Season 3 being the most unbalanced and a bit lost in its own plot, I loved the final battles, especially the fight against Legion: the animation quality is quite impressive. I don't mind the sex scenes and I think they fit thematically, but they would probably fit better if, instead of a vampire, they created Lenore as a Succubus; it would justify her scenes and intentions while also introducing another creature common in the games. The entire plot thread with Alucard is a bit out there, though: I like its conclusion (how Alucard ends up doing something similar to Dracula himself), but it really goes nowhere and is not picked up in the next season. Some of the voice actors aren't good (while I would not say "amateurish", Striga, Morana and a few other characters could be better), but the actors for Trevor, Carmilla, Lenore and Isaac do a great job (also Sypha and Dracula most of the time); in Season 4, especially, Carmilla just chews the entire scenery and its awesome. As for Season 4, I have a completely different opinion: it has a much faster pace, doesn't delve in vampire politics, all the plot threads are better connected to each other and the action scenes are even better, with some of the best animation I've seen in an animated show that's not a movie - by the final episodes, notice how dinamic the camera movements are; it barely has any static shots, which must be very complicated to animate in scenes with that much action going on. Frankly, Carmilla's episode alone is worth watching the season, not just because of the action itself but because of how well the character's insanity and inner sense of exaggerated grandeur is portrayed. Besides Lenore, which had a very inexplicable change in her personality, I think the characters were very well developed, and it all feels much more "Castlevania" than the previous season. To me, it reached a really high note and ended up being a very fun show overall. My main criticism is why the hell they couldn't use the series' established soundtrack; the music of the show is usually faily generic, and the difference it would make was very noticeable when they finally used Bloody Tears during the castle invasion in Season 2. From what I've read, the producers intend to follow up with another characters and stories (I guess they want to tell the Rondo/Symphony story at some point). As it seems Warren Elis won't be returning as the main writer, I'm curious to see how a new take on the series would fare - I generally liked Elis' writing, but it was not always the best fit for a Castlevania adaptation. On another subject: I do have watched Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust! I thought it was even better than the first movie, with a more fleshed out world and more interesting characters. Recommended.
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Post by dschult3 on May 22, 2021 15:05:34 GMT
Are there other voice actors for various languages, or is this subtitled only? I'm interested to see if certain regions may have received better voice acting.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2021 2:14:12 GMT
Are there other voice actors for various languages, or is this subtitled only? I'm interested to see if certain regions may have received better voice acting. It's an American production, so it's not an anime that was ported over to the West. So in any case, the American language version is the original one, however, to achieve maximum role playing effect, I guess we should watch it in Romanian.
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Post by Balder on May 23, 2021 2:20:50 GMT
I'll try to avoid spoilers, there's just some very light ones for season 3: Balder - While I do agree with Season 3 being the most unbalanced and a bit lost in its own plot, I loved the final battles, especially the fight against Legion: the animation quality is quite impressive. I don't mind the sex scenes and I think they fit thematically, but they would probably fit better if, instead of a vampire, they created Lenore as a Succubus; it would justify her scenes and intentions while also introducing another creature common in the games. The entire plot thread with Alucard is a bit out there, though: I like its conclusion (how Alucard ends up doing something similar to Dracula himself), but it really goes nowhere and is not picked up in the next season. Some of the voice actors aren't good (while I would not say "amateurish", Striga, Morana and a few other characters could be better), but the actors for Trevor, Carmilla, Lenore and Isaac do a great job (also Sypha and Dracula most of the time); in Season 4, especially, Carmilla just chews the entire scenery and its awesome. As for Season 4, I have a completely different opinion: it has a much faster pace, doesn't delve in vampire politics, all the plot threads are better connected to each other and the action scenes are even better, with some of the best animation I've seen in an animated show that's not a movie - by the final episodes, notice how dinamic the camera movements are; it barely has any static shots, which must be very complicated to animate in scenes with that much action going on. Frankly, Carmilla's episode alone is worth watching the season, not just because of the action itself but because of how well the character's insanity and inner sense of exaggerated grandeur is portrayed. Besides Lenore, which had a very inexplicable change in her personality, I think the characters were very well developed, and it all feels much more "Castlevania" than the previous season. To me, it reached a really high note and ended up being a very fun show overall. My main criticism is why the hell they couldn't use the series' established soundtrack; the music of the show is usually faily generic, and the difference it would make was very noticeable when they finally used Bloody Tears during the castle invasion in Season 2. From what I've read, the producers intend to follow up with another characters and stories (I guess they want to tell the Rondo/Symphony story at some point). As it seems Warren Elis won't be returning as the main writer, I'm curious to see how a new take on the series would fare - I generally liked Elis' writing, but it was not always the best fit for a Castlevania adaptation. On another subject: I do have watched Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust! I thought it was even better than the first movie, with a more fleshed out world and more interesting characters. Recommended. Great write-up as always Cervantes. I do see your points, and maybe I'm too cynical and critical. It's just that I prefer movies to TV shows any day of the week because they tell stories with a much better pacing, and when I watch shows that obviously have too many episodes for their own good, I get bored quickly. Castlevania S1 was perfect in terms of length for the story it was trying to tell. Every episode had something that made them important, whereas S3 had 1 or 2 such episodes out of ten. I respect shows that have a weird amount of episodes like Breaking Bad, because it goes to show that the show runners tell exactly the story they want in exactly the time frame they want. Netflix and many other studios often produce shows to fit a time-frame of 25-ish min long episodes with 10 episodes, that makes shows often feel dragged out or rushed depending on how well their story fits the time-frame.
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Post by Cervantes on Oct 22, 2023 8:26:58 GMT
Has anyone seen the new series, Castlevania: Nocturne? As far as the animation goes, it's superb, with the characters being even closer to Ayami Kojima's art; most episodes have impressive action scenes and they look awesome, it definitely picks up from the last season. The scene in which Richter puts on his bandana, we hear "Divine Bloodlines" and he finally becomes the badass from Rondo of Blood is just... It's already my favorite action scene from this year, it is a really great translation from Rondo's opening. But the writing is... Well, let's just say you can feel the difference between writers. It has some very strong moments, like the entirety of episode 5 (after Richter meets a very important relative) and most of the next episodes, but the dialogues between the characters sound much less convincing or cool than the previous series and the first four episodes are not very well paced - episodes 5-8, though, I think they were all pretty good. As for the story itself, it has ups and downs: first of all, I think it was a good idea setting it in France so the French revolution could be the background, its fitting and much could be done with it. But then, this isn't taken advantage of by the writing: we don't see large riots or social turmoil, it basically amounts to a few meetings in which the characters say bland mottos and empty revolutionary phrases. In a similar note, bringing up the Haitian revolution could be a great thing, like they did with Isaac in the first series and his history as a sufi slave. But it was, again, wasted on the writing, which ends up being too explanatory: the scenes in which Annette and the other guy talk about their past, culture and gods feel very unnatural, like I'm reading a Wikipedia entry on those subjects. It sounds like how an American/European would summarize Haiti instead of feeling like Haitians describing their own experience - there's a sense of exoticism that feels very foreign and superfluous to the plot (maybe by being Latin American I can pick on this "look at how EXOTIC/STRANGE/MAGICAL their culture is!" very easily). Which brings us to the characters. I enjoyed how they translated Richter and Maria. The expanded characters, like Olrox, Tera and Drolta Tzuentes were well handled and creative, but I think Erzsebet Bathory was a bit of a generic villain and can't compare to Dracula or Carmilla, which would be hard to top anyway. About Annette, the previous series showed that a change to a character's ethnicity could work (Isaac), but it was badly done this time for the reasons I talked above; plus, the new character that follows her, Edouard, is just annoying and very out of place (especially when he starts singing), besides his story contradicting how monsters worked in the previous series (again, it's trying to fit the themes of slavery/revolution, but the previous series already did the theme of slavery more organically and well integrated to the plot). There was one character, though, that was a complete surprise and I greatly enjoyed his presence and story, but it's a spoiler (don't read before watching the show): Juste Belmont. I thought Harmony of Dissonance was a more somber, lonely Castlevania than the other games, probably due to the music, visuals and lack of interaction with other characters, and the animation picked up on that, even implying that Juste got the worst ending from Harmony, with Maxim and Lydie having died. Him being the possibility of a bad future to Richter made the interaction between them work well, giving a strong reason for Richter's further development as a way to avoid that destiny. On a side note (still in spoiler territory), Alucard's entrance was another very high point, it was unexpected and I loved it. So these are my impressions. I liked the show, but it's unbalanced and most of its good aspects come from the animation instead of the story, which only picks up by episode 5. One thing that worries me is that I still don't know if they'll bring Dracula back or if Erzsebet is supposed to be the main villain this time; I mean, it would suck to have a Symphony of the Night adaptation without Dracula, so I hope they're thinking about Erzsebet's or (more probably) Olrox's final objective being Dracula's resurrection - or maybe the next seasons will bring Shaft, unless the abbot is already supposed to be him/turn into him. As the season ended on a strong note despite the weak beginning, I'm interested in what will happen next.
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