Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 15, 2017 8:00:48 GMT
I'm going to credit this post for making me go out and reacquire the Metroid Prime Trilogy on Wii. Thanks Dan! You've always got my best interests in mind. You know me, always thinking of others.
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Oct 15, 2017 21:46:03 GMT
I'm going to credit this post for making me go out and reacquire the Metroid Prime Trilogy on Wii. Thanks Dan! You've always got my best interests in mind. I'm going to do the same for the Wii U. Buy Resident Evil 4
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fsfsxii
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 17, 2017 19:02:08 GMT
I don't think we've entered a dark age of videogames, but that we've already been in one for over a decade and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. That being said, I think it's looking bleak for fighting games in particular right now so I'll pour a 40 in the genre's memory. ASW will save us all from the blight of capcom! On topic: As someone who's slowly backing out of keeeping up with games, but still try to play games whenever i can, i honestly don't care because my taste is already narrowed down to a few genres and certain games. If persona 5 had been out 2 years ago, i'd be all over it, but now, seeing how i'm growing disinterested in RPGs in general, and extremely long games, i'm not interested anymore, especially in games like SMT with their battle system. I could replay my favorite games, like i have been doing for the past year or so, and still have fun.
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Oct 18, 2017 0:50:54 GMT
fsfsxii The fact that the genre is left in the hands of Arc System Works is exactly why I have such a bleak outlook, even though the fighting game genre has been through rough times in the past. Also, I think I've went through a similar thing as you in regards to my tastes changing in games and replaying older ones. I'm always seem to be finding new things in games I used to play when I was younger. Maybe that's another reason I'm not too worried about the state videogames as a whole are in now.
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 18, 2017 5:31:07 GMT
winnersdontusedrugs Capcom's time is seemingly long gone. NRS' games sell a couple of million, Injustice 2 sold a lot and MKX sold 5 million. They're not the best in competitive fighting games, but it shows there is a market. I don't think fighting games took a downturn tbh, the lack of street fighter in early 00s doesn't mean the genre was stagnating. Tekken and Soul Caliber were the top games to play then, selling in the millions.
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Oct 18, 2017 18:18:30 GMT
fsfsxii I consider 3d fighters and 2d fighters different genres, which is why I should've been more specific when using the term "fighting games". I do agree that 3d fighters were doing great in both sales and quality during the mid 2000s and I think that's a good point. Still, I personally can't say the same for 2d fighters during the mid 2000s. I don't think the period was completely devoid of good 2d fighters or anything, but I do think it was taking a nosedive in terms of both sales and quality of games. I don't think that the 2d fighter genre needs to rely on Street Fighter in order to succeed and/or pump out good games, but I think that if ArcSys is at the forefront of 2d fighters then that's a bad sign. I don't think they're capable of carrying the genre at all imo.
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fsfsxii
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 19, 2017 20:37:14 GMT
fsfsxii I consider 3d fighters and 2d fighters different genres, which is why I should've been more specific when using the term "fighting games". I do agree that 3d fighters were doing great in both sales and quality during the mid 2000s and I think that's a good point. Still, I personally can't say the same for 2d fighters during the mid 2000s. I don't think the period was completely devoid of good 2d fighters or anything, but I do think it was taking a nosedive in terms of both sales and quality of games. I don't think that the 2d fighter genre needs to rely on Street Fighter in order to succeed and/or pump out good games, but I think that if ArcSys is at the forefront of 2d fighters then that's a bad sign. I don't think they're capable of carrying the genre at all imo. Who knows tbh. I think they're competent people and have proven themselves multiple times. As to 3D fighters, these days are the dark ages of 3D fighters, as the major 3D fighters are either dead (Soul Caliber/Virtua Fighter) or struggling like Tekken which has seen a steady decline commercially with every new installment. DOA has pretty much changed genres at this point, even though DOA5 is quite fun. What do you think of SFV?
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Oct 20, 2017 2:04:15 GMT
fsfsxii Sorry, I haven't picked up SFV yet. I was really skeptical on paying full price for a vanilla SF game considering how most of the other vanilla SFs were lackluster (imo). I also keep hearing nothing but bad things about the game which is making me even more nervous about pulling the trigger on buying it. For what it's worth, I wasn't wowed by the gameplay I saw or changes to the returning characters either. It also seems to play too slow for even my tastes, but I really can't knock the game until I've tried it. That said I can at least respect SFV for trying alot of new things. As much as I love Ultra I can't find a decent match anymore, so I'm gonna have to buy one of these newfangled fighting games eventually if I want to keep getting my ass kicked online. If Super SFV is really happening I'll probably pick that up, if not I might go for Tekken.
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fsfsxii
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 20, 2017 3:55:47 GMT
fsfsxii Sorry, I haven't picked up SFV yet. I was really skeptical on paying full price for a vanilla SF game considering how most of the other vanilla SFs were lackluster (imo). I also keep hearing nothing but bad things about the game which is making me even more nervous about pulling the trigger on buying it. For what it's worth, I wasn't wowed by the gameplay I saw or changes to the returning characters either. It also seems to play too slow for even my tastes, but I really can't knock the game until I've tried it. That said I can at least respect SFV for trying alot of new things. As much as I love Ultra I can't find a decent match anymore, so I'm gonna have to buy one of these newfangled fighting games eventually if I want to keep getting my ass kicked online. If Super SFV is really happening I'll probably pick that up, if not I might go for Tekken. Eh, Tekken hasn't fared much better with its lackluster content and broken online mode. SFV Arcade edition is indeed happening, but the major changes are coming to vanilla SFV via updates, so if you can find the game used i recommend it, slightly... only if you're desperate. What do you think of Xrd?
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Oct 20, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
fsfsxii Thanks for letting me know. That's unfortunate to hear about Tekken. As for SFV I usually play on PC so while I probably won't be able to find it used maybe I'll be able to find a good price for it on the next Steam winter sale. I liked Xrd alot at first, and I liked some of the other games in the series too, although Xrd was the first one I played semi-seriously. Despite that, as I got better at it I started having less fun with it. It's hard to explain, it's like I felt I was walking in a rut when I played a match. I'm a scrub, so I often played the character that I felt was the most approachable (Sol). While Sol has alot of different options I found myself doing the same things over and over because they worked (which is my fault I suppose) but I also felt like alot of other people would play their characters like a flowchart. On the off chance that I would win a match, I never really felt a sense of satisfaction. I had a similar feeling with SFIV:AE which is what caused me to take a break from it until Ultra came out. I can't say I wouldn't recommend Xrd (especially since so many other people swear by it) but I'm just not eager to play it again let alone spend money on the most recent update. The last version I played was Sign though, so who knows, maybe I'd like the newer version.
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fsfsxii
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Post by fsfsxii on Oct 20, 2017 18:05:10 GMT
fsfsxii Thanks for letting me know. That's unfortunate to hear about Tekken. As for SFV I usually play on PC so while I probably won't be able to find it used maybe I'll be able to find a good price for it on the next Steam winter sale. I liked Xrd alot at first, and I liked some of the other games in the series too, although Xrd was the first one I played semi-seriously. Despite that, as I got better at it I started having less fun with it. It's hard to explain, it's like I felt I was walking in a rut when I played a match. I'm a scrub, so I often played the character that I felt was the most approachable (Sol). While Sol has alot of different options I found myself doing the same things over and over because they worked (which is my fault I suppose) but I also felt like alot of other people would play their characters like a flowchart. On the off chance that I would win a match, I never really felt a sense of satisfaction. I had a similar feeling with SFIV:AE which is what caused me to take a break from it until Ultra came out. I can't say I wouldn't recommend Xrd (especially since so many other people swear by it) but I'm just not eager to play it again let alone spend money on the most recent update. The last version I played was Sign though, so who knows, maybe I'd like the newer version. My first GG game was GGXXAC+R honestly i thought it was ok but frankly ugly looking. It all changed with Xrd, i stuck with Ky for a short while but i picked up I-No, which is the hardest character in the game considering her mechanics, i wouldn't call myself the best, but i usually got around 14 win streaks on ranked, and i only ever met one I-No player who was a considerable challenge, even then i won I'd say Revelator 2 has new characters, Baiken returned along with Johnny with some new characters, so maybe you'd like those. I haven't gotten Revelator 2 because my connection isn't the best these days, so i'm probably moving soon, so whenever Revelator 3 happens, i'll be sure to jump on board. For now its strictly DOA5 for me. I played SFV for awhile, stopped playing because of the continued occurrence of lag switchers and because i moved from my house, and as such the connection wasn't the best. Perhaps your lack of satisfaction could very well be due to your character or playstyle, but it could be because you're meeting a lot of Sols so it could become same-y, i dunno. SFV has the advantage of crossplay with PS4, but i personally turned off matchmaking with PC players because i had the most trouble with them, frequently would perfect someone and win a good match, then the rematch i get completely destroyed. Then i went to gamefaqs and saw people complain about sudden lag spikes and possible lag switch.
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Post by stratogustav on Oct 21, 2017 7:50:06 GMT
Street Fighter is like Gran Turismo for their respective genre, these are just different times. They feel barebone, but that's what we pay for. These big corporation have certain expectations of how much money they can profit. To have the past full versions and still deliver massive profits, these games would cost like 300 bucks each, they are not going to do it because not many would pay that upfront.
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 24, 2017 21:35:53 GMT
I think the real "new dark age" we should be worried about is the free to play, pay to win, online-multiplayer-only, DLC fests that the industry loves so much.
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scipioafricanus
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Post by scipioafricanus on Oct 24, 2017 22:33:13 GMT
I think the real "new dark age" we should be worried about is the free to play, pay to win, online-multiplayer-only, DLC fests that the industry loves so much. So EA (It's not just them, but this is pervasive in the industry.):
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Post by Cervantes on Oct 24, 2017 23:07:12 GMT
I think the real "new dark age" we should be worried about is the free to play, pay to win, online-multiplayer-only, DLC fests that the industry loves so much. Two terrifying words: LOOT BOXES. These are the true bane of the next years, now that they're appearing in single-player games (Deux Ex MD, Shadow of War). If this catches on, every AAA single-player will look like a multiplayer freemium game. I just hope the japanese games stay away from this, as they seem to have until now.
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