Balder
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Post by Balder on Nov 22, 2017 18:13:47 GMT
EA stock taking a dip. Keep an eye on it for a buy if you're feeling optimistic like I am. You're into buying stocks and investment?
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Nov 22, 2017 18:18:49 GMT
EA stock taking a dip. Keep an eye on it for a buy if you're feeling optimistic like I am. You're into buying stocks and investment? You could say that.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Nov 22, 2017 18:25:51 GMT
You're into buying stocks and investment? You could say that. Dan at stock market speculation:
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Nov 22, 2017 18:28:16 GMT
Dan at stock market speculation: Lol! Pretty much. The eternal permabull.
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Balder
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Post by Balder on Nov 22, 2017 20:05:36 GMT
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Cervantes
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Post by Cervantes on Nov 22, 2017 23:17:37 GMT
Man, Disney must be loving to see Star Wars associated with underage gambling because of EA...
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leaon79s
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Post by leaon79s on Nov 23, 2017 2:29:06 GMT
Those people who want to turn Star Wars into one of their princess franchises?? Pssh...Who cares what they think???...
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Nov 23, 2017 15:41:54 GMT
Oh great. Now the politicians want to get involved. How could this possibly get any worse? Don't worry - they'll find a way! Lawmakers in Hawaii’s state legislature and the Belgian government have both indicated a desire to investigate and regulate loot crates and in-game transactions in video gaming, if not ban the practice outright as illegal gambling.
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Post by Cervantes on Nov 23, 2017 22:42:52 GMT
The UK was already on it, too. Shit has defnitely hit the fan. The problem is: gambling is heavily regulated and taxed; EA, Blizzard-Activision and Warner thought they had found a way to do it without any regulation or taxes. Let's be honest: if instead of buying DLC you're buying an in-game currency to spend at an in-game slot-machine that has a very small chance of randomly giving you something you might want, well, that's pretty much how gambling works (except, in this case, the prizes cost nothing to the company, so it's even more efficient than gambling itself). I guess the entire thing only exploded now because Star Wars has mass appeal and is marketed towards kids. As far as I know, China had already put some regulations on it (for example, the developers are obligated to disclose on their website what are the odds of getting each item through loot boxes). Other countries will probably follow suit. ... At least Konami had the decency of creating real pachinko machines.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Nov 24, 2017 18:46:14 GMT
The UK was already on it, too. Shit has defnitely hit the fan. The problem is: gambling is heavily regulated and taxed; EA, Blizzard-Activision and Warner thought they had found a way to do it without any regulation or taxes. Let's be honest: if instead of buying DLC you're buying an in-game currency to spend at an in-game slot-machine that has a very small chance of randomly giving you something you might want, well, that's pretty much how gambling works (except, in this case, the prizes cost nothing to the company, so it's even more efficient than gambling itself). I guess the entire thing only exploded now because Star Wars has mass appeal and is marketed towards kids. As far as I know, China had already put some regulations on it (for example, the developers are obligated to disclose on their website what are the odds of getting each item through loot boxes). Other countries will probably follow suit. ... At least Konami had the decency of creating real pachinko machines. You're right. China does regulate loot boxes in video games. In fact, the Chinese government controls just about everything that the people of China consume. Until just a couple years ago, ALL "foreign" video game consoles in China were totally banned. Even now, the only people who can buy a new console are the people of Shanghai, which China deems a "free trade zone." (It's also one of their wealthiest areas, by total coincidence, I'm sure.) Government is not the solution to bad products. An informed consumer is the solution. Today with the internet, consumers are better informed than ever. Battlefront II will fail, but not because government saved us. It will fail because consumers rejected a sub par product. An educated consumer doesn't need the government to tell them what they can or cannot buy.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Nov 24, 2017 19:53:18 GMT
The UK was already on it, too. Shit has defnitely hit the fan. The problem is: gambling is heavily regulated and taxed; EA, Blizzard-Activision and Warner thought they had found a way to do it without any regulation or taxes. Let's be honest: if instead of buying DLC you're buying an in-game currency to spend at an in-game slot-machine that has a very small chance of randomly giving you something you might want, well, that's pretty much how gambling works (except, in this case, the prizes cost nothing to the company, so it's even more efficient than gambling itself). I guess the entire thing only exploded now because Star Wars has mass appeal and is marketed towards kids. As far as I know, China had already put some regulations on it (for example, the developers are obligated to disclose on their website what are the odds of getting each item through loot boxes). Other countries will probably follow suit. ... At least Konami had the decency of creating real pachinko machines. You're right. China does regulate loot boxes in video games. In fact, the Chinese government controls just about everything that the people of China consume. Until just a couple years ago, ALL "foreign" video game consoles in China were totally banned. Even now, the only people who can buy a new console are the people of Shanghai, which China deems a "free trade zone." (It's also one of their wealthiest areas, by total coincidence, I'm sure.) Government is not the solution to bad products. An informed consumer is the solution. Today with the internet, consumers are better informed than ever. Battlefront II will fail, but not because government saved us. It will fail because consumers rejected a sub par product. An educated consumer doesn't need the government to tell them what they can or cannot buy.
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Post by Cervantes on Nov 24, 2017 20:21:48 GMT
Government is not the solution to bad products. An informed consumer is the solution. Today with the internet, consumers are better informed than ever. Battlefront II will fail, but not because government saved us. It will fail because consumers rejected a sub par product. An educated consumer doesn't need the government to tell them what they can or cannot buy. Just to be clear, I also think it's a terrible thing that politicians are getting involved! I mean, this brings the terrible memories from the Night Trap / Mortal Kombat debate, with all the opportunistic scumbags screaming "Think of the children!" That's pretty much why I hate that these publishers popularized this practice: because it's such an obviously abusive loophole that it was only a matter of time until politicians noticed it and transformed it into a platform for their own discourses. Games as "a danger for the youth" was a dead horse, and now EA revived it. That's bullshit, man.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Nov 25, 2017 15:55:30 GMT
Just to be clear, I also think it's a terrible thing that politicians are getting involved! I mean, this brings the terrible memories from the Night Trap / Mortal Kombat debate, with all the opportunistic scumbags screaming "Think of the children!" Right. I've seen lots of people online basically cheering for this government intervention without any apparent thought given to what the full consequences might be. In their drive to punish EA, I'm afraid they're just going to end up shooting themselves in the foot - and all of us with them. Beyond that, I wonder when we all became such puritans. Are Jim Sterling and others really so afraid of gambling, or is it just their convenient way of attacking EA?
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Post by Cervantes on Nov 25, 2017 16:45:11 GMT
Dan E. Kool - I've also seen this elsewhere, including Jim Sterling's comments on it. As much as I dislike EA and these practices, having politicians getting involved can only be a terrible sign. They won't stop at the gambling issue; if the opportunity rises, they'll bring back the violence thing too, and then we'll be back to the stupid 90s hearings. I hope EA's decision to hold back the monetisation and the bad repercussion both discourages other publishers and makes the political discourse calm down a bit (they were already comparing games to cigarretes, FFS).
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Post by leaon79s on Dec 6, 2017 4:03:41 GMT
Arghhhhh.... The great undoing of EA.... ( -6 Billion?!?) "Oh, it's Pay to Win in a $60 game..." Pssssh...What are they complaining about - they got a single player campaign didn't they??? If they'd continue Mass Effect Andromeda with a new single player campaign, I wouldn't care how many lootboxes there'll be in the multiplayer.
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