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Post by fsfsxii on Mar 19, 2016 23:05:22 GMT
I think its funny that in 2005 and 2006 Sony and Microsoft released consoles that were comparable to high end gaming pc's at the time. Now years later they shat out low end gaming pc's that are just weak as crap. When Sony and Microsoft released the ps4 and Xbox one the hardware in them was already 2 or 3 years behind current pc's at the time. We are barely off the starting line here. See this is what happens when you release under powered systems for next gen and then find out later that what you have in them currently is to weak to do much with and you have to have the games toned down to get them to play right. I would not be surprised if developers have to do that just to get it to run well. Or they have to do that in the future for these new systems. I'm getting a vita tomorrow to go alongside my 3ds. Decided to invest more time and money in handhelds then consoles. The dang vita is almost as strong as a ps3. I bought a 1080p television for $1100 4 to 5 years ago and nobody better tell me now that its obsolete. Thankfully most TV's cant go above 1080p yet. Granted I probably could have shopped around for one for cheaper now that I think about it but instead spent more money then I probably should have on it. Damn technology goes to fast and I think we may reach a point where society just cant keep up anymore. That makes no sense, sony released the ps3, a pretty powerful machine, everyone from consumers to developers complain how expensive (in the case of consumers) and tough to work on for developers. I swear, the gaming consumer base is impossible to please.
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Post by lukefonfabre388 on Mar 20, 2016 2:34:26 GMT
fsfsxii No actually it does make sense. The hardware in the ps4 and Xbox one is weak as crap. It was 2 to 3 years behind current gaming pc's at the time and as time goes on its only going to get worse. You can't upgrade a consoles hardware once its in there. Once its in there its in there for good no upgrade able parts on it except the hard drive. Maybe if Sony and Microsoft actually didn't release wanna be gaming pc's and actually put more powerful tech in them so they could be a bit more future proofed then they wouldn't have such a big issue with there hardware. They had to tone down star wars battlefront 3 to get it to run right on the ps4 and Xbox one. Would I like to see more effort on the games and less on the hardware ya I would. But they dont deliver on the games and they have been out for what 3 years now. I can't even see a game I would buy one of those new systems for. Take this from a guy who is going to school to be industry certified in computer hardware and software who knows computer hardware compared to console hardware.
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 20, 2016 3:25:52 GMT
That makes no sense, sony released the ps3, a pretty powerful machine, everyone from consumers to developers complain how expensive (in the case of consumers) and tough to work on for developers. I swear, the gaming consumer base is impossible to please. Yep, having a powerful CPU alone isn't a guarantee of success. In the PS3 case, it's the same problem faced by the 3DO, Neo Geo AES, Saturn, the first Xbox and Vita: technology advancements come at a price, so the companies have to make a fine balance between building a good hardware while mantaining the price competitive. Most people are satisfied with a console that is "just ok" instead of going to the most powerful if this one is too expensive: that's how the PS2 became dominant while being on par with the Dreamcast (the only advantage was the DVD) and technically weaker than the other 2 consoles. It had a good price, an awesome 3rd party support and was the first one to come with a DVD drive, which played a good role. The second problem was faced by the Saturn: the console may be great, but if the developers don't know how to use it, the games will look worse than the competition. As I understand, the PS3 had a very complicated architecture in comparison to the 360. This problem, coupled with the higher price, meant the console took a longer time to become popular (although, by the end, it had more sales and a longer 3rd party support than the 360, as developers learned how to use it and the price could be slashed by the later models). That's why Sony played much safer with the PS4: before its release, they even emphasized the indie games that were being developed for the console instead of showing impressive graphical demos. They tried to show that the console was getting a good support instead of talking about how powerful it was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 4:39:02 GMT
Balder: Chill man. You sound angry. @fsfsxiii: Sony reps approached multiple developers at GDC regarding their potential plans. As for Xbone, Phil Spencer himself stated that MS was looking into a hardware upgrade system. So no, these are not just rumours from a website you dislike. Cervantes is correct. The initial price of the PS3 was ridiculous, even in North America, and the software library (besides MGS4) was lackluster for awhile. I'm a late adopter, so I didn't get PS3 until a) the price dropped (I bought a couple of used 60GB versions) and b) great exclusives like The Last of Us, Ni No Kuni, Journey, Demon's Souls, Valkyria Chronicles etc. etc. were released. By this time, the cost of materials and manufacturing processes were reduced and devs had learned how to work with the Cell processor (although there are those who argue that, even by the end, its full potential was never really realized). It's just never made logical sense for me to be an early adopter as I have more games than I'll ever finish and don't feel the need to impress anyone with the latest tech. Walking that price/power balance that Cervantes mentioned is a matter of being able to tout tech specs, capabilities and graphical fidelity while also assessing what most people are willing to pay for the hardware. This is one reason why the DS and PS2 are the top two best selling home systems of all time; the other is software libraries. The issue with the PS4 is that it hasn't yet had any "must have" titles released (a la Uncharted or MGS4), but now they're discussing releasing a major hardware revision-- not just a 'slimmed down'/cosmetically altered model as has always been done in the past. From Atari onwards, slim/junior models were usually less expensive, sometimes at the cost of removed features. PS4.5 sounds significantly more expensive than current models, and that's a lot to ask people to buy into again. I think that PS4 sales have been going so well despite the lack of titles that Sony feels extremely confident in its continued ability to move more units.
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Post by lukefonfabre388 on Mar 20, 2016 4:59:09 GMT
I agree with player1. Don't feel pressured into thinking you have to impress someone with the latest tech. Honestly who are you trying to impress? A girl maybe? Don't feel pressured into thinking you have to buy it. The latest systems I got are handhelds, A 3ds XL and a PS vita. I feel they deliver better when it comes to the games this gen.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 20, 2016 5:12:47 GMT
About that I would say women are the ones that care less about your tech stuff, if anything is a turn off for most. If you buy the latest tech you should do it because you want it for yourself, not to impress your friends.
Plus honestly buying any kind of stuff can never be impressive. Impressive stuff are things like skills, like in music, or sports, because of the popularity, or making something worthwhile, even making an Android app which by the way is a hit or miss, but if you hit you can make some good money with that.
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Post by fsfsxii on Mar 20, 2016 7:30:32 GMT
@player1 it doesn't make sense consumer wise, as that would shatter the playerbase, which is already somewhat shattered by the online paywall. In the end, why does it matter? Some people are just impossible to please. Plus, what is being said here doesn't exclude kotaku as being fraudulent, i mean look at their track history, they're in the same boat as someone like rich from reviewtech
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Mar 20, 2016 9:17:47 GMT
I hope they release it as a 32X-style add-on.
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Post by Balder on Mar 20, 2016 14:28:37 GMT
@player1 I'm chill, but aren't you getting tired of ripping a new hole into MS and Sony? Doesn't complaining about something you don't like get old fast? I personally don't give a shit about Nintendo stuff, and therefore I don't go posting stuff in the Nintendo forum since I know that my posts wouldn't be appreciated there. People like Nintendo, and I like that people enjoy something even though I don't. And that I won't ruin for them.
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Post by cobretti on Mar 20, 2016 15:47:38 GMT
I hope they release it as a 32X-style add-on. Now that I will support 100%
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 20:14:45 GMT
Balder: I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just pointing out trends. If I say that Sega made stupid decisions which led to their demise, does that decrease the amount of fun you can have with Sega games? Because I still enjoy them, regardless of the hardware add-ons and not-so-stellar Sonic games that came later. If I say that the NES monopoly, Virtual Boy and lack of AC adapter with the New 3DS are stupid, does that invalidate the incredible fun you can have with Nintendo games? No. When I worked for MS support I played Halo (the main Xbox exclusive) with co-workers and got very bored very quickly, but I didn't accuse people of "sucking Microsoft's shlong" because they enjoyed it while ignoring RROD and other issues. It was their money and their choice. But we need to recognize reality for what it is by making *informed* critique of industry practices-- seeing the world as it is, not just how we wish it to be. Despite what you may think, I *want* there to be a lot of great, unique and innovative exclusives for the two powerful consoles-- since they're not fully backwards compatible, they really do need it. I *want* there to be more than just multiplat sequels and HD remakes. I *want* a reason to believe that Sony and MS's hardware are worth the expense of my hard-earned money. Most of all, I *want* the three companies to be better so that this hobby can thrive. I think about how great Sony was at its peak quality-wise (as Cervantes noted, PS2 easily won a generation despite being the weakest in terms of hardware) and consider how they moved away from it. I think about the original draconian policies that were proposed for Xbone and I shudder with the thought of what the future may hold. When my friends who already own PS4s are spending much more time playing a cheaper portable console (3DS) and talking about future releases for it, doesn't that say something about the lack of a compelling library in the former? Hopefully this will change, but it could be some time before we see any true "killer apps" on the level of Zelda: OoT or MGS...and now, in the meantime, we're being presented with serious hardware revisions. If I'm hesitant to buy myself, imagine someone who's not familiar with video games and is even more confused?
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 21, 2016 5:45:38 GMT
I agree with @player1 about the first party library lacking for Sony, if Nintendo would like to move on to another console at this point they can do it and it would be fine because the first party Wii U library is already solid for me, only missing a Zelda. I wouldn't mind a proper F-Zero and a proper Metroid but the library is still good as it is. Sony on the other hand has nothing. That said I also agree with Balder about how the PS4 library is enough right now in the sense that we don't have time to play that much, I have 11 games on it already (Mortal Kombat XL, Street Fighter V, Lara Croft And The Temple Of Osiris, PES 2016, F1 2015, Dead Or Alive 5 Last Round, Resogun, Super Stardust Ultra, Zen Pinball 2, Onechanbara II, and Metal Slug 3) and even with those is hard to keep up. No Platinums, that says a lot, if I was Platinum games left and right and I would still feel lacking then I would say yes, but all the games take so long nowadays to complete that you honestly don't need more than a handful of games and be set for a while. After this I will most likely get Alienation, MatterFall, The King Of Fighters XIV, Tekken 7, Ace Combat 7, Gran Turismo Sport, Uncharted IV, No Man's Sky, and even that I think is too much, I highly doubt I will have the time to finish all those games. There is just no time. You can only do so much, I haven't even opened my Onechanbara II game. By the way I heard the new Senran Kagura game is fun, I never played one, but it looks funny and hack & slashy, maybe I should get it too, I'm also thinking in picking up Xtreme 3, but that one can wait, and I want to buy the PS4 version of Darius Burst for the trophies. So that's like 25 games already. More than anyone can ask for. Then Gravity Rush, Nioh, Final Fantasy XV, and The Last Guardian. It's even too much already. I have exactly 40 physical games for the Wii and I feel that's a lot. There is no need for having many games. Just having a few you enjoy is fine.
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Post by Balder on Mar 21, 2016 10:48:41 GMT
@player1 is there any positive side with the new consoles? Because you never brought one up. You shit on these consoles weekly.
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Post by manicottimafia on Mar 21, 2016 18:31:54 GMT
Games don't need to be exclusive to be fun and innovative.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 22:39:58 GMT
Balder: The new Dualshock is nice. Other than that, you tell me...and the people I personally know who were early adopters and are not exactly excited. Again, I try to live in and perceive the real world-- one in which we should be honest about both triumphs and shortcomings instead of pretending they don't exist. @manicottmafia: I agree. But multiplats are often (but not always) developed in a way geared towards the weakest set of hardware and don't fully take advantage of the most powerful or unique systems (ex. many developers could implement a lot of neat features for WiiU versions of games but don't make the effort). It's also less common for companies to take risks with multiplats, which are even more geared towards maximizing profit. Besides, without exclusives, why would you ever choose one particular system over another? Example: although Seaman isn't exactly my cup of tea, I truly respect Sega for taking a risk with such a wacky idea. Would the big two contenders do that today? I strongly doubt it, but want to be proven wrong.
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