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Post by Cervantes on Mar 25, 2020 1:04:59 GMT
The bag full of shit that is occupying the presidency in my country just went to national tv to say again that covid-19 is just a "little flu", that no one under 60 are subjected to any risk and that schools should all be functioning normally, because kids are apparently immortal or something and will never transmit any disease ever to people around them. Then he spits a bunch of conspiratory bullshit about journalists, as if they invented the disease. The guy is insanely detached from reality and will drive the country to a massive infection rate, I've never seen anything like this. A leader that is this mad is a thing that I only saw in History books, this is some Nero/Caligula level of madness.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 25, 2020 1:33:49 GMT
The bag full of shit that is occupying the presidency in my country just went to national tv to say again that covid-19 is just a "little flu", that no one under 60 are subjected to any risk and that schools should all be functioning normally, because kids are apparently immortal or something and will never transmit any disease ever to people around them. Then he spits a bunch of conspiratory bullshit about journalists, as if they invented the disease. The guy is insanely detached from reality and will drive the country to a massive infection rate, I've never seen anything like this. A leader that is this mad is a thing that I only saw in History books, this is some Nero/Caligula level of madness. I feel a lot of governments will not understand the scope of this thing because we humans don't have the ability to test that many people. While people gets infected in the millions, and health care systems become overwhelmed in hot spots, you can't expect to see numbers saying 10 million people got infected yesterday. The reason is that no country has the ability to test that many people in a day. So a lot of governments can easily dismiss this because the numbers are simply not big enough to alarm them, and that can be an issue. At the same time, having that kind of response prevents the economies to completely collapse at once, and economic collapse can also bring a lot of death down the line, and by a lot I mean a lot. It really makes it hard to make those calls. However that doesn't mean it is justified to take careless actions just for the sake of the economy simply because a working economy is completely useless when people are dead. If you overwhelm the health system we know we can reach 10% of death rate, and we already know the death rate of emergencies is almost 50%. Those percentages are no joke. That's what hot spots can reach when overwhelmed. That's why it's important all countries stay in quarantine, so we don't get to see that. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 25, 2020 10:38:14 GMT
Video from Italian hospital. The odd thing is that all the people in the bubble helmets are all male. Numbers in Italy are a bit inflated too. They are claiming that anyone that has passed as the result of Kung Flu, even if they were inflicted with a condition that would have killed them in a day.
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Post by centipede on Mar 25, 2020 12:08:09 GMT
Cervantes Blame the WHO for the misinformation! cobretti I hope you find something soon. I am as miserable as fuck about this. Less abotu the virus and more about the economic trouble it's causing.
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 25, 2020 19:33:01 GMT
Cervantes Blame the WHO for the misinformation! Nope, WHO gave pretty clear reports on how the disease advances and what are the corresponding numbers to different measures to contain it. The misinformation here is coming from a guy that said numerous times that ditatorship is good, that Pinochet killed very few people and should've killed more, that said that native people is only now becoming "almost as human as us", that measures the weight of black people using the same measure to weight cattle (in Brazil, "arroba" instead of "kilograms"), that spent his entire life connected to killer militia organizations in Rio, that was expelled from the army, in the 80s, for planning a bombing of two headquarters and that said, numerous times, that would machine-gun down his opposition. Someone that has contradicted himself at least three times a day during this crisis, and that is fighting, right now, against every single governor in the country - our 27 governors are literally holding a meeting right now that excluded him because they are considering him clinically insane (not a hyperbole, it's a serious consideration right now). His orders are very clearly against WHO's directives, that's the problem. Most damning: his mentor, called Olavo de Carvalho, is a flat-earther who lives in Virginia and said just this week that no one ever died of covid-19 and the entire thing is faked. THAT is the level of detachment from reality to this people, we are being ruled by out-of-control 4chan incels who even use "Deus vult" as a serious motto instead of a stupid meme (as seen in the official twitter profiles of most ministers in his government). Seriously, you guys live in other countries and can't have any idea of how mad is the federal government over here, as even I have a very difficult time believing that this is real, that a president would act like that guys does. My only point of comparison is really Nero/Caligula and other literally insane genocidal maniacs. This was already the situation before covid-19, it only made things much, much worse by finally giving this guy a chance to finally execute his genocidal tendencies without having to actually move a finger. I can't stress this enough. Also, there are already various people who died by covid-19 over here that weren't even diagnosed before death (and a lot weren't tested after), so our numbers are innacurate. The health minister himself (who sometimes almost sounds like a voice of reason against the president, and because of this there are reports that he will be replaced very soon as the president already voiced his discontent with him) calculated that we are only diagnosing 14 of every 100 cases, so the current number of 2,297 in Brazil is grossly miscalculated. Edit: Oh my god, now his bots are spreading on twitter that any quarantine measures were invented by governors only to destabilize his government. He is going for a full-on negationist approach. |
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 25, 2020 23:39:11 GMT
So we are around 1,000 deaths in U.S., while Italy is only at 75 hundred, but Italy is a smaller nation. We have 6 times more people. U.S. has at least 300 million people, and Italy has 60 million. Which means our responsibility is 6 times greater. We are rapidly becoming number 1 as the most affected. Like I said yesterday, the big guys are getting hit first, so it is just logical that the most powerful nation gets hit the most. My concern is that as we move into May, and June, the less developed nations can get hit, and badly. If the strongest nations had struggled by overwhelming their health systems, I can't even imagine how overwhelmed the health systems of developing countries could become if they get hit. Remember that list I made many days ago about the economic consequences we can see? Well, those consequences are starting to become a concern, and logically, we can expect that an economic turmoil can cause more deaths than the virus itself as a consequence of crime, and health factors related to poverty. However, it doesn't mean the virus doesn't have the same potential of killing, it definitely does, specially if the health systems become overwhelmed, and that's the most important thing we need to avoid because it is a priority since it is something we are facing right now, and that if we don't attend it, it can make things worse months from now. Sadly I couldn't find anything new from Arnold, but here is the quarantine game of the day:  scipioafricanus the ToeJam & Earl review is coming too. I definitely want to finish the game. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Mar 25, 2020 23:56:05 GMT
So we are around 1,000 deaths in U.S., while Italy is only at 75 hundred, but Italy is a smaller nation. We have 6 times more people. U.S. has at least 300 million people, and Italy has 60 million. Which means our responsibility is 6 times greater. We are rapidly becoming number 1 as the most affected. Like I said yesterday, the big guys are getting hit first, so it is just logical that the most powerful nation gets hit the most. My concern is that as we move into May, and June, the less developed nations can get hit, and badly. If the strongest nations had struggled by overwhelming their health systems, I can't even imagine how overwhelmed the health systems of developing countries could become if they get hit. Remember that list I made many days ago about the economic consequences we can see? Well, those consequences are starting to become a concern, and logically, we can expect that an economic turmoil can cause more deaths than the virus itself as a consequence of crime, and health factors related to poverty. However, it doesn't mean the virus doesn't have the same potential of killing, it definitely does, specially if the health systems become overwhelmed, and that's the most important thing we need to avoid because it is a priority since it is something we are facing right now, and that if we don't attend it, it can make things worse months from now. Remember, China is lying. They could have lost upwards from 6 figures by now from some models.
Funny thing, India has no cases?
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 26, 2020 0:26:28 GMT
The good news is that Italy deaths are slowing down because the extreme measurements that were taken weeks ago, are finally paying.
I feel that's always the best scenario because if you take extreme measures now like closing bars, clubs, restaurants, etc., then you can see the results in a few weeks.
It is very hard to trust China, however those measurements they took a month ago are quite extreme as well, and I don't blame them. They have 1.4 billion people, that's probably very hard to manage.
By the way, sorry for constantly correcting my own typos, but some typos I make are so bad they make everything I say meaning something completely different.
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 26, 2020 0:34:38 GMT
Edit: Oh my god, now his bots are spreading on twitter that any quarantine measures were invented by governors only to destabilize his government. He is going for a full-on negationist approach. These are the circumstances countries need to avoid:  If they can start taking the measurements now, they will be thankful months from now. That said, some kind of prevention measurements need to be taken for the economy as well, or that can be a bigger problem. Finding that balance is what makes everything hard. Maybe Brazil can do what El Salvador did. Brazil is many times a stronger economy, so they can do it better. El Salvador has put everyone in quarantine for a whole month, and their electric, water, cable, Internet, loans, credits, rents, phone, mortgage bills have been postponed for 3 months, and diluted in 2 years so people don't have to worry about that. They are also sending a month worth of minimum wage to 75% of the families, which are the most needed so they can survive during the quarantine. They are also building the biggest hospital for COVID-19 in Latin America, bigger even the ones California are building. El Salvador has only 5 cases which were people that were stopped at the borders before they came in. One came in illegally, but all his traces have been tracked already. They just want to slow down the curve as much as possible before the health system becomes overwhelmed. If tiny El Salvador can do it, Brazil can do more. |
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 26, 2020 0:43:02 GMT
scipioafricanus - India has 657 infected, 12 deaths. They entered in a nationwide lockdown just today - I guess their government must've estimated that they have far more undetected cases. One thing that must be remembered is that the seemingly low mortality rate (around 2%) is when the people who develop more serious symptoms receive treatment. But as the disease has a high infection rate and around 15% of infected people need some sort of medical care, the national health systems become overwhelmed and can't attend everyone, which can make that mortality rate spike. That is one of the reasons why Italy reached an 8% mortality. Another colateral problem is that, with systems overwhelmed, people who suffer from other conditions can't be properly attended either. So the initial mortality rates can't be underestimated.
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Post by Cervantes on Mar 26, 2020 0:57:02 GMT
El Salvador has put everyone in quarantine for a whole month, and their electric, water, cable, Internet, loans, credits, rents, phone, mortgage bills have been postponed for 3 months, and diluted in 2 years so people don't have to worry about that. They are also sending a month worth of minimum wage to 75% of the families, which are the most needed so they can survive during the quarantine. They are also building the biggest hospital for COVID-19 in Latin America, bigger even the ones California are building. El Salvador has only 5 cases which were people that were stopped at the borders before they came in. One came in illegally, but all his traces have been tracked already. They just want to slow down the curve as much as possible before the health system becomes overwhelmed. If tiny El Salvador can do it, Brazil can do more. It sure can, but see what kind of "assistance" is being given by the federal government: monday, they released a provisional measure stating that companies could offer online courses to quarantined employees instead of paying salaries for four months. Yep, that's serious, an online course replacing salaries; luckily, the bad press seems to have reverted that. Then they tried to cut 158,000 families from social assistance, which was reverted by the supreme court. Then they cut scholarships from post-graduates, including a lot of scientists that are researching the disease (this one I don't have the numbers, but it wasn't reverted). So we are not expecting a lot being done by this government: instead, they are intentionally cutting back on investments and social assistance right now. This was all this week. When I say that things are getting really surreal here, that's what I mean. |
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 26, 2020 2:34:25 GMT
It sure can, but see what kind of "assistance" is being given by the federal government: monday, they released a provisional measure stating that companies could offer online courses to quarantined employees instead of paying salaries for four months. Yep, that's serious, an online course replacing salaries; luckily, the bad press seems to have reverted that. Then they tried to cut 158,000 families from social assistance, which was reverted by the supreme court. Then they cut scholarships from post-graduates, including a lot of scientists that are researching the disease (this one I don't have the numbers, but it wasn't reverted). So we are not expecting a lot being done by this government: instead, they are intentionally cutting back on investments and social assistance right now. This was all this week. When I say that things are getting really surreal here, that's what I mean. The way countries have been ran for years is slowly changing because of technologies. More people are aware of corruption now. Like the President of El Salvador said: "There is enough money when no one steals". If a government becomes corrupt, people will find a way to change it. For example Venezuela has one of the most corrupted governments in the world. I believe there will be a point were people will have enough, and they will change things, but the police, and the military need to be on the side of the people for that to happen. It is a domino effect. Asia has seen a lot of changes in the last 10 years, and Latin America will likely be next. The not organized countries become the easy is to manage capital, and to reach future goals. In a lot of ways this pandemic has awaken a lot of nations, and we can hope some good changes come out of this, but we also expect bad things to come if wrong decisions are made. |
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 26, 2020 9:31:38 GMT
Video from Italian hospital. The odd thing is that all the people in the bubble helmets are all male. You know that's actually quite interesting. I was looking into this, and apparently, according to the official data, internationally it has been recorded that only 1 / 3 of the hospitalized patients are female, and 2 / 3 are male. That's really weird, it is almost as if the virus had a mind of its own, or that it was designed with very artificial characteristic. |
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Post by stratogustav on Mar 26, 2020 22:06:30 GMT
Numbers are not accurate at all. We have basically hit plateau in how many cases we can test per day. So even in the new cases are a lot more, there is no way for us to accurately measure that. As expected Spain is the new epicenter, and they have already beaten China in terms of deaths. Spanish officials are claiming that in order to track everyone, on everything they do at a daily basis, and their movements, they are going to use artificial intelligence, so they can have control over the social distancing they expect from their citizens. A model likely to be used in other countries as well. In U.S. things don't look good. A healthy 25 years old is in a comma, and a 17 years old died too: They are also trying to make restaurant owners to feel less stressed about closing down their own businesses with cases like this: This is the quarantine game of the day:  |
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Post by centipede on Mar 27, 2020 12:42:38 GMT
CervantesWHO urges against China travel bans as coronavirus cases soar past 20,000. "The World Health Organisation has advised against trade and travel restrictions against China amid the coronavirus outbreak that has so far killed at least 425 people and infected more than 20,000." The WHO and China: Dereliction of Duty "The World Health Organization (WHO) was founded in 1948 with the lofty goal of ensuring the attainment of the highest possible level of health by all people. In the years since, the organization has been instrumental in controlling or eradicating communicable diseases and investing in healthcare capacity across the globe. However, the WHO is now facing rising international criticism over outsized Chinese influence in the organization’s response to the ongoing COVID-19 outbreak." The World Health Organization Draws Flak for Coronavirus Response (dated Feb 2020) "BEIJING—When the World Health Organization declared a global public-health emergency at the end of last month, it praised China’s “extraordinary” efforts to combat the coronavirus epidemic and urged other countries not to restrict travel. "
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