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Post by MeleeMonk on Oct 27, 2022 2:19:34 GMT
I watched it so long ago that I don't remember if it was funny on purpose or an accident from being so over the top. Anyway, I had some good laughs with it and the chaotic battles were fun, kind of a movie version of EDF. scipioafricanus - How was the novel? Is it much better than the film? There was a video that explained the differences well, but I can't remember where I saw it. One thing is the Marines have battle armor mechs that were included.
Paul used his experience in the Netherlands under Nazis control to color his depiction of the novel. So the movie is basically just used the book, not as source material, but as a "hey let's use that (title) for our movie" without opening the book.
 Sessler nailed it. Fuck you Bon nuit. You guys are a bunch of dangerous phonies. Paul Verhoeven made a good movie here. EDIT: Pardon my french. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Oct 27, 2022 10:04:20 GMT
There was a video that explained the differences well, but I can't remember where I saw it. One thing is the Marines have battle armor mechs that were included.
Paul used his experience in the Netherlands under Nazis control to color his depiction of the novel. So the movie is basically just used the book, not as source material, but as a "hey let's use that (title) for our movie" without opening the book.
Sessler nailed it. Fuck you guys. You guys are a bunch of dangerous phonies. Paul Verhoeven made a good movie here.  |
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Post by centipede on Oct 29, 2022 7:14:31 GMT
There was a video that explained the differences well, but I can't remember where I saw it. One thing is the Marines have battle armor mechs that were included.
Paul used his experience in the Netherlands under Nazis control to color his depiction of the novel. So the movie is basically just used the book, not as source material, but as a "hey let's use that (title) for our movie" without opening the book.
Sessler nailed it. Fuck you Bon nuit. You guys are a bunch of dangerous phonies. Paul Verhoeven made a good movie here. EDIT: Pardon my french. This deserves another Bemused Bernie:
And why are you calling ME a Nazi?
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Post by MeleeMonk on Oct 30, 2022 1:16:23 GMT
Sessler nailed it. Fuck you Bon nuit. You guys are a bunch of dangerous phonies. Paul Verhoeven made a good movie here. EDIT: Pardon my french. This deserves another Bemused Bernie:
And why are you calling ME a Nazi?
Relax, we were referring to american conservatives, AKA the real deal. Not you. |
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jul 14, 2023 11:58:32 GMT
Ah! En taro Adun, Melee! I thought this movie would be right up your alley. Got any other thoughts on it? I really wish I could say more about it, but I only saw it once literally 2 decades ago.  So I can't even remember many of the fine details of satire that critics raved about. HOWEVER, On the subject of american fascist propaganda, I can think of two other famous 90s examples that weren't intended as parody and should for that reason continue to be re-evaluated: Forrest Gump and Duke Nukem. I feel like these are two other IPs that we should talk about. I mean, if we're going to laugh at Verhoven's parody of american fascism, then why not discuss actual american fascist propaganda like Gump and Nukem by actual american fascists like Zemeckis and those dudes at 3D realms? Duke Nukem was like a straight american take on German aryan propaganda, unintentionally:   "Are these people INSANE???" Looking back, I'm not surprised Duke Nukem never found much success outside of the US. Those american pigs at 3D Realms were so stupid that they didn't even realize they were making blatant american fascist propaganda with this clown show that is the Duke Nukem franchise. Texans are the stupidest, most nationalistic clowns on the planet. Duke Nukem is such a fascinating franchise just for its fascist themes. I remember the only content creators raving about it back in the day were american nationalists like Craig of Screwattack (an actual texan) and the LGR guy. Even Mark raved about Duke 3D early on but wisely skipped on reviewing Duke Nukem Forever when it finally hit a couple of years later, probably because he realized that the franchise had become synonymous with american fascism. I feel like all content creators who praised Duke Nukem should be negatively re-evaluated and have sanctions imposed against them. Considering what the Bush Administration did during their tenure, I feel like average americans got away with doing way too much shit during that time. I mean, the russian nobility have all been sanctioned for their financial and vocal support in invading Ukraine, so why weren't our conservatives sanctioned for promoting american nationalism during America's invasion of the Middle East? I don't even think 1% far-right scum like Mel Gibson or David Koch were ever officially sanctioned. It's just not right. BTW I don't agree with this at all: The Duke Nukem fandom tries to denounce Gearbox's Forever as "not real Duke Nukem" and "not being faithful to the spirit of the source material" but they are always dead silent on the fascist, far-right nature of the classic games in the series made by 3D realms. I hate the Duke Nukem fandom. These guys are such a mental dumpster fire of the worst things about american culture. You'd have to write a 50 page college essay just to identify all the ways that these fanboy slobs are so wrong about everything in society. I mean, using Forever as a scapegoat for anything wrong with Duke Nukem. What a terrible, delusional fandom. |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 14, 2023 21:32:36 GMT
I don't think he knows what Fascism is...
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jul 16, 2023 3:34:57 GMT
I don't think he knows what Fascism is... Duke Nukem is one of the most infamous examples of western aryan propaganda and American nationalism in mainstream media. Those are two ingredients of western fascism. I've never met a single person outside of america who likes these games. I read that there was a spree shooter in Brazil who claimed to be inspired by the Duke Nukem games to carry out his act of gun violence, but that still counts as america, since Brazil has been known to be a borderline fascist country with instances of white supremacy ("aryan"). I'm talking about continents like Europe, Asia, etc. Like I said I've never heard anyone from there praise these games. I mean, why would they? It's american nationalism. They wouldn't find it "cool". |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 16, 2023 9:17:35 GMT
I don't think he knows what Fascism is... Duke Nukem is one of the most infamous examples of western aryan propaganda and American nationalism in mainstream media. Those are two ingredients of western fascism. I've never met a single person outside of america who likes these games. I read that there was a spree shooter in Brazil who claimed to be inspired by the Duke Nukem games to carry out his act of gun violence, but that still counts as america, since Brazil has been known to be a borderline fascist country with instances of white supremacy ("aryan"). I'm talking about continents like Europe, Asia, etc. Like I said I've never heard anyone from there praise these games. I mean, why would they? It's american nationalism. They wouldn't find it "cool". Your religion is fascinating. And I don't think you know what Fascism is. |
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jul 17, 2023 4:20:18 GMT
Duke Nukem is one of the most infamous examples of western aryan propaganda and American nationalism in mainstream media. Those are two ingredients of western fascism. I've never met a single person outside of america who likes these games. I read that there was a spree shooter in Brazil who claimed to be inspired by the Duke Nukem games to carry out his act of gun violence, but that still counts as america, since Brazil has been known to be a borderline fascist country with instances of white supremacy ("aryan"). I'm talking about continents like Europe, Asia, etc. Like I said I've never heard anyone from there praise these games. I mean, why would they? It's american nationalism. They wouldn't find it "cool". Your religion is fascinating. And I don't think you know what Fascism is. You would know what fascism is because you're an american conservative. |
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Post by cobretti on Jul 17, 2023 4:43:05 GMT
Duke Nukem is one of the most infamous examples of western aryan propaganda and American nationalism in mainstream media. Those are two ingredients of western fascism. I've never met a single person outside of america who likes these games. I read that there was a spree shooter in Brazil who claimed to be inspired by the Duke Nukem games to carry out his act of gun violence, but that still counts as america, since Brazil has been known to be a borderline fascist country with instances of white supremacy ("aryan"). I'm talking about continents like Europe, Asia, etc. Like I said I've never heard anyone from there praise these games. I mean, why would they? It's american nationalism. They wouldn't find it "cool". Your religion is fascinating. And I don't think you know what Fascism is. Isn’t he trying to be a Scientologist? |
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Post by scipioafricanus on Jul 17, 2023 10:01:13 GMT
Your religion is fascinating. And I don't think you know what Fascism is. Isn’t he trying to be a Scientologist?  |
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jul 30, 2023 10:03:04 GMT
This movie needed Arnold and Gotz Otto  Seriously, how could any big-shot movie director make a satire of aryan nazi propaganda and NOT include Arnold?? Arnold is the poster boy for modern day aryan military propaganda in the americas. He IS the german definition of aryan. Clancy Brown's role should've been given to Arnold instead. That would've been great. It gets even better when you realize that Arnold's dad was a Nazi officer during WWII. This movie would've been perfect for him. I don't know if he was ever approached for the role that went to Clancy Brown, but that would be a great question to ask Verhoven at a con. Similarly, I would be curious to know what Schwarzenegger thinks of Starship Troopers and if anybody ever encouraged him to audition. That's one of my problems with this movie looking back. It comes so close to being something exceptional but one or two details just HAD to be off to spoil it from being a perfect 5/5 satire of aryan propaganda. I have no idea why Verhoven didn't think to cast authentic aryans like Schwarzenegger for the more mature roles given to Clancy Brown and Ironside. A huge missed opportunity. As for Otto, if I was Verhoven I would have fought MGM for him tooth-and-nail. He was great in Tomorrow Never Dies, but Starship Troopers was MADE for an oversized, authentic aryan baddie like him. There's no reason why Verhoven shouldn't have pushed HARD for him to be in this film. From what I just read, neither Otto nor Schwarzenegger were approached for Starship Troopers. Why not, Verhoven? Again, when you look back at this movie and consider all these huge missed opportunities in regards to things like casting, Starship Troopers just isn't the perfect parody it should have been. Sorry, Centipede, but I'm gonna have to lower my score to 4/5. It's a good parody, but not a truly great one. If it had more neo-nazis and aryans, I would've remembered it even more fondly than I already do. There's no reason why it should be so easy for me to pick apart problems or shortcomings in such a well thought-out film. I guess maybe Starship troopers was too ambitious for its own good, like the cinematic equivalent of a Eurojank game. Shame they couldn't nail these finer details for a perfect experience. EDIT: I realized that I had already rated it a 4/5. My bad, I thought I had rated it a 5/5. Maybe I should lower my score to 3/5, then. I mean, not having Schwarzenegger and Gotz Otto in an ensemble of aryan actors for a parody of aryan propaganda is a HUGE head-scratcher. I'll have to think about this. |
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Post by stratogustav on Jul 31, 2023 3:11:00 GMT
You have a point there. Arnold makes movies better.
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Post by MeleeMonk on Jul 31, 2023 5:06:49 GMT
You have a point there. Arnold makes movies better. movies. He was great in the first Terminator movie but the reality is that he didn't get cast in villainous roles nearly enough, unless you count studio crap like Batman and Robn. His physique doesn't lend itself to protagonist roles very well. That's why so many of his movies feel so cheesy, since you have what is essentially a stacked, daunting alpha male as the "good guy" instead of an average-joe underdog rising to the challenge. He literally looks like an action figure, so the villains never seemed intimidating next to him, except maybe the Predator. This is why I believe Schwarzenegger was so overused in Hollywood. Instead of dedicating himself to henchmen roles in acclaimed series like James Bond similar to what other oversized actors like Richard Kiel and (coincidentally) Gotz Otto did, but Schwarzenegger decided to soak up the sun like an egomaniacal asshole by overselling himself instead. What a pig. It's a similar problem I have with Bruce Campbell. Instead of auditioning for old-timey mid-atlantic villainous or rogue roles like Cal in Titanic, Brom Van Brunt in Sleepy Hollow, or Rick O'Connell in The Mummy, he had to be a delusional asshole by saying to himself "Nah, I'm far too great of a role model for my fellow americans to have myself cast as a villain or a rogue.". What an asshole. It's a shame since I'm absolutely sure he could've fit the roles of Brom and O'Connell better than (coincidentally) Casper Van Dien or Brendan Fraiser. He really shot himself in the foot by saying no to auditions for villainous roles since all of these movies turned out to be huge box office smashes. I hate how these macho men like Schwarzenegger and Campbell have "too much pride" to audition for villainous roles because they actually see themselves as good guys and role models IRL. What a bunch of delusional gutter-grade assholes. And the real thing to remember about Schwarzenegger is that he wasn't even naturally huge like Richard Kiel or Gotz Otto, either. He was a fake asshole who cheated fate by abusing steroids just to get to the top. I have absolutely no respect for Schwarzenegger. Like I said, he was just a fake asshole who abused steroids just to cash in on the body building craze of the 80s, a fad which he helped spill over into the 90s. Oh, and I saw this video a few days ago: That's another reason to lose all respect for bodybuilders. They're all a bunch of fake assholes nowadays.  So, no. I don't think Arnold automatically makes movies better, just like he didn't make the state of California better. In fact, he helped ruin a lot of movies which I thought had potential. |
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Post by cobretti on Aug 1, 2023 0:45:18 GMT
You have a point there. Arnold makes movies better. movies. He was great in the first Terminator movie but the reality is that he didn't get cast in villainous roles nearly enough, unless you count studio crap like Batman and Robn. His physique doesn't lend itself to protagonist roles very well. That's why so many of his movies feel so cheesy, since you have what is essentially a stacked, daunting alpha male as the "good guy" instead of an average-joe underdog rising to the challenge. He literally looks like an action figure, so the villains never seemed intimidating next to him, except maybe the Predator. This is why I believe Schwarzenegger was so overused in Hollywood. Instead of dedicating himself to henchmen roles in acclaimed series like James Bond similar to what other oversized actors like Richard Kiel and (coincidentally) Gotz Otto did, but Schwarzenegger decided to soak up the sun like an egomaniacal asshole by overselling himself instead. What a pig. It's a similar problem I have with Bruce Campbell. Instead of auditioning for old-timey mid-atlantic villainous or rogue roles like Cal in Titanic, Brom Van Brunt in Sleepy Hollow, or Rick O'Connell in The Mummy, he had to be a delusional asshole by saying to himself "Nah, I'm far too great of a role model for my fellow americans to have myself cast as a villain or a rogue.". What an asshole. It's a shame since I'm absolutely sure he could've fit the roles of Brom and O'Connell better than (coincidentally) Casper Van Dien or Brendan Fraiser. He really shot himself in the foot by saying no to auditions for villainous roles since all of these movies turned out to be huge box office smashes. I hate how these macho men like Schwarzenegger and Campbell have "too much pride" to audition for villainous roles because they actually see themselves as good guys and role models IRL. What a bunch of delusional gutter-grade assholes. And the real thing to remember about Schwarzenegger is that he wasn't even naturally huge like Richard Kiel or Gotz Otto, either. He was a fake asshole who cheated fate by abusing steroids just to get to the top. I have absolutely no respect for Schwarzenegger. Like I said, he was just a fake asshole who abused steroids just to cash in on the body building craze of the 80s, a fad which he helped spill over into the 90s. Oh, and I saw this video a few days ago: That's another reason to lose all respect for bodybuilders. They're all a bunch of fake assholes nowadays. So, no. I don't think Arnold automatically makes movies better, just like he didn't make the state of California better. In fact, he helped ruin a lot of movies which I thought had potential. Ok, here is where you’re showing some real ignorance about Arnold. He didn’t “cash in” on the bodybuilding craze in the 80s. He WAS the craze. He was the first and only real bodybuilder to crossover to mainstream success. Maybe Lou Ferrigno to a much lesser extent. And Arnold didn’t start acting in big movies until after he retired from bodybuilding, after he won all those Mr. Olympia titles. The reason anyone cared about bodybuilding was because of Arnold. Also, in both bodybuilding and acting, everyone was using steroids to get to the top. Any top bodybuilder during Arnold’s reign in the 70s was using steroids. Any top bodybuilder after Arnold uses steroids. Big Ramy. Ronnie Coleman. Jay Cutler. Dorian Yates. All of them are on steroids. Even Stallone was on steroids. That was the look of the bankable 80s action Star back then. Huge muscles was what the people wanted. But really, the numbers don’t lie. Look at the money Arnold’s movies made. From the mid 80s to the mid 90s, he was by far the biggest star in the world. Yes he had a couple of flops, but who doesn’t. Arnold was a money printing machine. Also, don’t talk shit about Bruce Campbell. He’s one of the nicest celebrities you could ever hope to meet. He’s great in everything he does and always treats his fans well. Put some respect on Bruce, god dammit. |
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So I can't even remember many of the fine details of satire that critics raved about.
