stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Oct 28, 2016 8:07:01 GMT
Really nice take. Leaving the reviews on YouTube for the legacy and bringing everything else for backers feels like the perfect decision to me.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Oct 28, 2016 13:05:22 GMT
Really nice take. Leaving the reviews on YouTube for the legacy and bringing everything else for backers feels like the perfect decision to me. The only thing that kind of confuses me there is that the reviews are the ones that weren't doing well on Youtube, whereas everything else like the unboxings, etc, were getting more views. Hopefully Mark's not tanking the little bit of Youtube revenue he was getting.
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Post by stratogustav on Oct 28, 2016 14:27:55 GMT
Don't really know, but leaving just the reviews on YouTube may be worth it for the good will of the backers alone. Most people sign up mainly to keep the games and hardware reviews going, and they prefer to have access to them on all their devices, the lack of accessibility of the patreon website makes it not worth it for many.
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Post by Imperial Khador on Oct 28, 2016 14:47:19 GMT
I suppose that's valid, but Mark was just uploading the Patreon stuff as private YouTube content, so it could still be watched on YouTube, added to playlists etc.
In any case, we'll have to see how this plays out.
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Post by Guilion on Oct 29, 2016 3:36:08 GMT
Ok, I'll just go on and say what I've been holding for months: Mark has to understand the divide between running a company and being a youtube celebrity.
Allow me to explain: While Mark has been producing the show I've noticed a few things going on in the background that might (Most likely not because it's pretty clear) have escaped some people. After CGR left Youtube the first time Mark's company, Inecom started to run into financial issues, you may notice this as videos started being rushed out the gate by CGR and CGR:U faster and faster trying to make a profit back. Then when the team decided to go back to youtube the damage was already done; The company was most likely very near bankrupcy with everyone running on overtime and Mark had to let go everyone from Inecom and continued the show by himself to both salvage the company and. However due to the amount of people that stopped watching the show he couldn't keep the show running anymore and had to create a patreon and the occassional kickstarter to raise funds. I remember some people asked why he needed so much money to keep running the show, and my money is in that all the money went on to pay for the expenses of the comapny, bills, rent, IRS taxes bullshit, cleaning services, etc. and when the patreon amount dropped he wasn't able to afford the offices he was renting anymore and had to move back to the storage container. And now, here we are, CGR may end for good on public channels because the expenses are too big and the income too small. I think MArk needs to make up his mind, There are only 3 ways this dance can go from thos pint forward if you ask me: - He continues on with a humble Youtube careerforgetting about the company
- He changes the course of his company and starts selling pretzels and beer or something.
- He seeks a new career and starts working elsewhere
But he can't really keep doing all three at the same time, he can't continue producing youtube videos while tied to Inecom, he can't keep running Inecom while still being tied to CGR and he can't continue producing comics and fruitless endeavors without canning the other two and dedicating full time to them. And that's what I've been holding on my chest for months, man it feels weird to let it out.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 29, 2016 14:42:19 GMT
The company was most likely very near bankrupcy with everyone running on overtime and Mark had to let go everyone from Inecom and continued the show by himself to salvage the company [...] No. I'll agree that CGR's time (as it was being run - with the IGSA and Undertow) was up in a financial sense, but I don't believe that Mark was anywhere near bankruptcy. Nor do I agree with your implication that the Patreon is designed to pay off old debts. I think some people look at the Patreon and incorrectly assume that it's there to cover running costs. The amount that Mark is asking for is not for running costs, it's essentially his salary. He basically said as much when he first started that campaign: either he gets a certain amount of money or CGR has to become his hobby again.
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Post by Balder on Oct 29, 2016 15:48:34 GMT
The company was most likely very near bankrupcy with everyone running on overtime and Mark had to let go everyone from Inecom and continued the show by himself to salvage the company [...] No. I'll agree that CGR's time (as it was being run - with the IGSA and Undertow) was up in a financial sense, but I don't believe that Mark was anywhere near bankruptcy. Nor do I agree with your implication that the Patreon is designed to pay off old debts. I think some people look at the Patreon and incorrectly assume that it's there to cover running costs. The amount that Mark is asking for is not for running costs, it's essentially his salary. He basically said as much when he first started that campaign: either he gets a certain amount of money or CGR has to become his hobby again. That's a well paying hobby I'd say.
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Post by teddykongcountry on Oct 30, 2016 15:41:43 GMT
At the end of the day, it's Mark's channel to do what he pleases with but I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea of locking videos behind a paywall. I've sent toys to his show so I have to donate to see him review them then and that's if he ever gets around to it? There's a leap in logic there. I like the idea posted here that people contribute to his campaign not to see more videos but because they generally love CGR as much as we do if not more (high rollers anyone?) and to spread the love of CGR, videos have to be made accessible.
An interesting side note is the view count recent videos have been accumulating. It was mentioned that videos of the unboxing and Who Defeats were actually getting more views than his reviews and I think this partially attributable to the internet hate complex.
I've been doing some tracking of data on Hillary Clinton and Trump speeches on the internet and while Trump generally gets more positive ratings (astonishingly), Hillary gets tons more views. Just like people love hating Hillary for being a woman with power and having made mistakes, the internet cannot forgive Mark for not being the Mark we know and love i.e. butchering review length, using an annoying Patreon credits roll in standard videos and doing tasteless Who Defeatz. Thus, rather than appreciate him for what he does, the internet chooses what it wants to see and focuses on it (Remember Derek's Sonic Boom review?).
So would I be mad if he does this? No, not really. It's his job after all. But at the same time, when the money becomes such a prevalent factor in all these videos and directions as of late, it makes what was once something to look forward to multiple times a week far less tasteful.
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Post by Cervantes on Oct 30, 2016 17:21:05 GMT
I've sent toys to his show so I have to donate to see him review them then and that's if he ever gets around to it? There's a leap in logic there. This is certainly one of the main problems: people who sent lots of things to the show might not even see the review of those things, even though a donation of a game is usually more expensive than a donation on Patreon. I'm really glad he went back to post the full reviews on Youtube (even if the Patreon versions still keep a few extra scenes). I also back CGR to keep it as free as possible to everyone, not to have it exclusively for me - I understand the need for some exclusive things to give an incentive for people who want to donate much more, but the main show should always be as available as possible.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 30, 2016 21:54:53 GMT
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Post by Balder on Oct 31, 2016 7:57:18 GMT
So now he's changed his mind again regarding the podcasts. They may now continue again in another compressed format... again. This is the 2nd time he is going to cancel it, and the 2nd time he brings it back in compressed form.
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Post by cobretti on Nov 4, 2016 1:29:09 GMT
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Post by stratogustav on Nov 4, 2016 2:01:47 GMT
We are all spoiled to an extend, but I never saw that one coming. I mean because of his hard working and all.
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Post by Cervantes on Nov 4, 2016 3:14:33 GMT
Mark explained CGR's situation pretty well on this new video:
It's a very comprehensive take on Youtube's current policies. By the way, if you look at the description, he even points out the awesome "Barney review" got wrongly flagged and was taken down, which is just depressing.
So, anyway, it seems he have reached a balance: Patreon backers get the reviews first and with a few extra scenes, but non-backers still get the main reviews on Youtube. Also, he will be putting unboxing videos and other smaller, unedited content exclusively on the CGRGarage channel, so if people have no interest in those, they may subscribe only to the main channel - this is something I heartily agree with. While we might like Mark's personality enough to watch his silly videos about nothing, some people may be interested only in the reviews themselves.
I think those are the right decisions, and it seems most people agree (even the usually caustic Youtube's comment section was positive about this video).
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Post by Balder on Nov 5, 2016 13:39:05 GMT
It worked out pretty in the end after all. But Mark is a flip-flopper so I wouldn't be surprised if the podcast is cancelled again next month.
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