fsfsxii
Space Striker
What to believe...
Posts: 916 
|
Post by fsfsxii on Feb 1, 2016 15:57:36 GMT
@player1
The lack of bakcwards compatibility was explained, and rightfully so. The architecture is very different from PS3 compared to PS4. Actually i don't think IBM manufactures the Cell processor anymore.
The PS3 ports on ps4 sure are bad, but then again people are buying them, so you can't really blame companies for doing it.
|
|
|
|
Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 2, 2016 3:12:43 GMT
@player1 - I mean, Nintendo's practices do seem benign by comparison to the corporate giants, even in name alone, Nintendo means something. However, I still think this console generation is a race between one-legged animals; the only reason to really get on board is for high end pixels submerged beneath competent gameplay, even on the Wii U. I'm glad you like the concept of Mario Maker and I hope you enjoy its user friendly interface all throughout its lifespan; the innovation doesn't matter to me because on premise alone, it seems gimmicky (and lazy). It doesn't help I have a lot of catching up to do with Mario titles Wii onward which brings me right back to...
the prices! Oh lord those prices. Are you sure that during the N64 heyday, you couldn't get cart onlys for a reasonable price? Sure a lot were going for 60 brand new but even the used market was at least approachable. With this Wii U stuff, all first party games immediately have a mark up whether used or not; how many right solid titles can you get for what you consider a bargain? Meanwhile, I see copies of Wolfenstein, Alien Isolation, Destiny all in a ten to twenty dollar range. Sure they sold their meat and potato's worth but at least that's accommodating from a buyer's standpoint. Then PS+ and the Microsoft service offers some kewl free downloads for those who are into the online service and paying for it.
The backwards compatibility doesn't matter to me because they are releasing games they had previously amongst some other "killer apps" and a lot of these can be argued to be definitive editions. I watch that Valkyria Chronicles trailer and the first thing I think to myself is "breathtaking." Even Mark is a huge advocate for the console as PS4 games comprise 90% of the modern games he plays; can't doubt Lord Karnage!
|
|
|
|
Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 2, 2016 3:14:01 GMT
@fsfxii - I don't mind buying the console in some new bundle as long as it's at the 299 price point or less. I can't stand the though of buying a stolen PS4 plus I want a good old warranty on mine.
|
|
|
|
Post by spidershinobi on Feb 2, 2016 23:20:28 GMT
teddykongcountry, you know, even though many high (and bottom) tier Ps3 games were ported to Ps4, we aren't telling you you will surely be able to play all the best Ps3 games via Ps4... That still depends on publishers and developers feeling like porting more games - may or may not happen - but a few high tier, non-Ps4 ported ones are available on PC, such as Mortal Kombat for example. I see in this last page that you're imagining a flower garden there, but the reality of it is that Valkyria Chronicles isn't nearly as good of a strategy game as Resonance of Fate is for RPGs, and there aren't news of a it being on Ps4 (at least for now). So... it's just a situation you'll have to deal with. Not all high-tier Ps3 games have been ported yet, and so far the only top-tier game ported to Ps4 was USF4.
|
|
stratogustav
Supreme Overlord
Warrior with Bandana
Posts: 7,646
|
Post by stratogustav on Feb 2, 2016 23:30:43 GMT
You talk about Dragon's Dogma as if it was popular. I tried the demo and it wasn't for me, I'm sure that happened to many people. But yeah, I completely agree the combat system was fixed to appeal to wider audiences like me. I hope the combat system at least plays like Saint Seiya, that would be good enough for me. But I'm honestly hoping more for a combat like Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden. The same things goes for the Final Fantasy VII Remake.
|
|
|
|
Post by spidershinobi on Feb 3, 2016 0:06:57 GMT
No, man, I would never talk of Dragon's Dogma as if it was popular. Dragon's Dogma is just good, almost the opposite thing.
And I think you may not enjoy FF15, because it does look like a shallow Dragon's Dogma. Of course I could be wrong and it would turn out to be its own thing, but changing the whole thing developed up to this point would be too much...
|
|
|
|
Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 3, 2016 1:43:06 GMT
spidershinobi - Buying a PS3 defeats my sole purpose for buying a modern console: to play Yooka-Laylee. The Banjo and Kazooie series is one of my favorite and I want to play it on a console (I just don't PC game). The games that will be lost to me from the PS3 era can remain lost, I can not commit to every console ever released. Even if VC isn't the bee's knees, that's okay because it looks grandiose beyond proportions and has an interesting historical backdrop. As my friend told me, there are currently over 550 games available on the PS4. I'm sure I can find at least 10 titles to keep me preoccupied alongside my other 9 consoles/handhelds.
|
|
leaon79s
Ace Bomber
Dishonorable Miscreant
Posts: 721
|
Post by leaon79s on Feb 3, 2016 8:32:37 GMT
Yeah, you should just stick to your guns then. If your main motivation is Yooka-Laylee, and Valkyria serves as your added incentive, then go for it. Trying to weigh the nitty gritty pros & cons of consoles is discombobulating frill - There's always going to be a reason why X is better than Y, or why none of them are good... Just do what feels right for you. Truth be told I wasn't too impressed by the original PS3 version of Valkyria myself. Don't get me wrong, it was well made and interesting enough, but just too 'redo till you get it right' for my taste - more about trial & error than any clever tactics or skill on my part. Scorewise a 7.8/10 (C+) in my book. Although I did play it daily faithfully to completion - so maybe I'm just being paradoxically dumb. But if it looks promising, and you're leaning away from the Wii U & X1 for it... then anything to get you on board on PSN! Plus, there's going to be the latest Valkyria game on PS4 too - Azure Revolution - which looks more interesting than the original to me. So there's yet another incentive if you're looking for one to look forward to. Don't forget EDF and Galak-Z after Valkyria though... EDF needs little troduction thanks to Karnage, but if you liked Space Gar on the old site (the Asteroids wannabe original, or Asteroids itself for that matter), then you should fall for Galak-Z. I did! And leave your PSN username in the titular thread topic once you have one. I'll call on you so we can die in EDF together!! (when I find the luxury to get my copy that is...  hopefully in March or April...) @shinobi lover of aliens... Maybe it's time you made the leap too? You know you want to... ![]() ![]()  |
|
Pimpjira
Guardian Force Shooter
Posts: 1,102
|
Post by Pimpjira on Feb 3, 2016 10:23:35 GMT
@player1 The lack of bakcwards compatibility was explained, and rightfully so. The architecture is very different from PS3 compared to PS4. Actually i don't think IBM manufactures the Cell processor anymore. The PS3 ports on ps4 sure are bad, but then again people are buying them, so you can't really blame companies for doing it. I don't think his analogy quite works anyway because I have yet to see a single remaster of a game over a year old priced at $60(GTA V and TLOU are the only ones I've seen at 60). Usually they are $40, which is higher than the original version at the time of (remaster's) release but they aren't going to go lower than that in today's market when they will be sale on Amazon for 50% off withing a few months, they are going to make sure to make some money off of day one/launch adopters. |
|
stratogustav
Supreme Overlord
Warrior with Bandana
Posts: 7,646
|
Post by stratogustav on Feb 3, 2016 12:39:26 GMT
teddykongcountry If you don't own a PS3 already it is kind of late to get one. Buying a brand new PS3 is for people like me that have so many games that even after upgrading to 1TB isn't enough anymore. That way I can have one for the brains of the arcade cabinet I'm planning to get and another for my Sony 4K TV, which by the way makes my PS3 graphics look extra nice. These newer TVs enhance even old 80s and 90s videos to look like they are brand new, and sports games look awesome. I personally was considering buying a second PS3, one for my arcade games, and another for games that use a regular controller. Since most of my collection is digital, this works perfect for me. I will still get a PS4 this year, I already know what is like to have 20 games on it 'cause that's what may brother has and when I visit him I can just play those, but for me the only games I'm truly excited about are 7 at the most, and VR of course: - The King Of Fighters XIV - Mortal Kombat X - Street Fighter V - Tekken 7 - Gran Turismo Sport - Ace Combat 7 - Lara Croft And The Temple Of Osiris Any other game that you can get in both consoles like Resogun, Metal Gear Solid V, Transformers Devastation, etc. I rather get them on my PS3 because that's the collection I had built the most.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 14:38:35 GMT
fsfsxii: you know why Sony removed BC from PS3? To save maybe a few dollars per unit and re-sell us the same old games again as HD remakes. Just because we understand the business perspective/logic doesn't make it right or respectful of consumers. I understand why MS tried to institute draconian DRM/mandatory online policies with the Xbone...but it doesn't change my opinion of them for trying or Sony of considering it, and unlike many others, I won't forget like they want us to. teddykongcountry: so Mario Maker is lazy but all the sequels, boring 'me too' FPS games and HD remakes everyone is talking about here aren't? How long do you really think it takes devs (and thus, how much does it actually cost) to make a weapon or costume pack or even bump the resolution on an existing game's code compared to the money they make from the sales of gullible consumers? Wolfenstein and Destiny are overrated FPSes (the latter is online/multiplayer only; yay!), and although Alien Isolation is good, it's not even in the same league as something like Skyward Sword. If someone decides to pay for a subscription service PS+ they SHOULD be getting special offers and extras since running servers and providing software downloads (no packaging or shipping to pay for) costs companies very little compared to the profits they make from all the fees coming in. What I think the difference is here is everyone's perception of value. I don't buy into marketing hype or care too much what my friends are playing on or offline-- I decide what I like for myself. I personally value copycat sequels, remakes, rehashes, unimaginative shooters, sports and driving titles far less than I do something that offers me a new gameplay experience, a *significantly* different take on an established genre and captures my imagination. I'm willing to pay a reasonable price for that second type of game. Why should a company decide where and when I play older titles-- much less which ones I get to discover at prices they determine? Companies target us as mindless consumers of of junk instead of intelligent, critically-thinking lovers of art because *we let them*, implicitly condoning their practices by continuing to pay them for products and services of questionable (actual) value. If we think we deserve better (and I think we do) then why don't we act like it when giving them our hard-earned cash?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 14:39:28 GMT
fsfsxii: you know why Sony removed BC from PS3? To save maybe a few dollars per unit and re-sell us the same old games again as HD remakes. Just because we understand the business perspective/logic doesn't make it right or respectful of consumers. I understand why MS tried to institute draconian DRM/mandatory online policies with the Xbone...but it doesn't change my opinion of them for trying or Sony of considering it, and unlike many others, I won't forget like they want us to. teddykongcountry: so Mario Maker is lazy but all the sequels, boring 'me too' FPS games and HD remakes everyone is talking about here aren't? How long do you really think it takes devs (and thus, how much does it actually cost) to make a weapon or costume pack or even bump the resolution on an existing game's code compared to the money they make from the sales of gullible consumers? Wolfenstein and Destiny are overrated FPSes (the latter is online/multiplayer only; yay!), and although Alien Isolation is good, it's not even in the same league as something like Skyward Sword. If someone decides to pay for a subscription service PS+ they SHOULD be getting special offers and extras since running servers and providing software downloads (no packaging or shipping to pay for) costs companies very little compared to the profits they make from all the fees coming in. What I think the difference is here is everyone's perception of value. I don't buy into marketing hype or care too much what my friends are playing on or offline-- I decide what I like for myself. I personally value copycat sequels, remakes, rehashes, unimaginative shooters, sports and driving titles far less than I do something that offers me a new gameplay experience, a *significantly* different take on an established genre and captures my imagination. I'm willing to pay a reasonable price for that second type of game (yes, I enjoy Valkyria Chronicles partially because there's nothing really like it out there). Why should a company decide where and when I play older titles-- much less which ones I get to discover at prices they determine? Companies target us as mindless consumers of of junk instead of intelligent, critically-thinking lovers of art because *we let them*, implicitly condoning their practices by continuing to pay them for products and services of questionable (actual) value. If we think we deserve better (and I think we do) then why don't we act like it when giving them our hard-earned cash? |
|
|
|
Post by teddykongcountry on Feb 3, 2016 17:12:47 GMT
leaon79s brigadier of the Thunder Force - hell yeah that's the kind of incentive I like to hear! To be honest, owning a Wii U and PS4 doesn't sound too bad either but if I were to pick 1, I'd have to go PS4 for the controller, the longevity and the library. Online sounds like a good time and I look forward to squashing some biologically morphed insects with ya! stratogustav of the gustiest of stratospheres - that's awesome man! I'm still left to question why a game like Yakuza 5 only released on the PS3 just two months ago though. Oh well, I'm sure that HD collection has a shot at making it overseas given Sega's new track record for localizing more games. Phantasy Star would straight up be a system seller! @player1 of the Nintendo faithful - I'd read somewhere that the BC PS3 was too expensive to manufacture and Sony was taking huge losses on it banking on the success of the PS2 which is why they went with the reduced model. As per originality, sure it's important to do something your way rather than to copy paste. But the jab at Mario Maker has to do with Nintendo competing with its own legacy, NOT generic FPS games. As much as you might like to diss FPS as a genre (and I admit, I'm not much into it either beyond CoD2), the contexts for these games are becoming more sci-fi oriented even within the CoD series. I don't care about FPS so I can't offer much commentary there but with regard to remakes/remasters, some games desperately need them or benefit greatly from them as well as introduce them to new audiences. Look at the 3D classics by Sega; suddenly, Thunder Blade and Galaxy Force II don't feel broken on a home console. I would never have experienced these arcade classics had someone at Sega and M2 pulled the executive trigger on reviving them. And I'm sure many people will stand behind the Resident Evil remaster as they will Shadow Warrior and Wolfenstein for breathing new light into lost series as they will for Doom. I get that you love Nintendo for doing things differently but I have looked at this Wii U for five years now and not pulled the trigger. Why? Because I think this current concept of "innovation" is overrated. The one thing I am most sold on is Star Fox Zero if we are going to talk innovation and even then, that's just on paper. In reality, it could probably just turn out to be a chore using both screens and gyro controlling to hunt down specific aircrafts. PS4 fits my mold right now because it currently has 5.5x the number of developers manufacturing games for it than the Wii U, it will not lose software manufacture come end of next year, it will give me an opportunity to connect with acquaintances from here in the forums and on Youtube in ways the Wii U can't, and it has a genuinely nice controller to optimize my enjoyment for a game I am 110% looking forward to rather than asking me to hassle with Wii pads, sensor bar tentacles and plug-in accessories. I forgive you for the double post, I just hope everyone else can find it in their keypads to do the same 
|
|
stratogustav
Supreme Overlord
Warrior with Bandana
Posts: 7,646
|
Post by stratogustav on Feb 3, 2016 17:21:46 GMT
teddykongcountryI would say because the biggest audience for those type of games are still on PS3, remember that the localization of Yakuza 5 was achieved by fans alone. PS4 has been around for 3 years already and everything it has to offer hasn't come out yet. It is a system selling on promises alone, which is why from the start their mojo was "Greatness Awaits". spidershinobiOK now you make it sound like it was a good game, which makes me doubt I gave it enough opportunity to see what it has to offer. I played it for an hour when the one hour trials was a thing on PlayStation.
|
|
fsfsxii
Space Striker
What to believe...
Posts: 916
|
Post by fsfsxii on Feb 3, 2016 21:53:08 GMT
@player1 while that is true, they removed the ps2 BC in 07 i think, and the first HD collection came out in like... 2010? Doesn't really add up if a business giant like Sony took 3 years to get a simple idea like this.
Plus collections like this have been around since forever
|
|
