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Post by Balder on Oct 5, 2017 7:30:58 GMT
What do you think is the major problem then why America has so many gun related terrorist attacks vs European countries?
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Post by billspreston on Oct 5, 2017 14:43:17 GMT
What do you think is the major problem then why America has so many gun related terrorist attacks vs European countries? They do? I'm not so sure about that. They definitely have more people snapping and going on sprees though. I'm actually amazed it doesn't happen more often. Where I grew up it doesn't even enter your mind to go collect weapons, you just get out of shitty situations and shitty neighborhoods not stockpile ammunition. Very few angry teenagers with access to weapons, and very few disgruntled people ready to hurt someone. of course that's all changing with radicalization now so what ultimately is the answer? |
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Post by Balder on Oct 5, 2017 17:18:50 GMT
What do you think is the major problem then why America has so many gun related terrorist attacks vs European countries? They do? I'm not so sure about that. They definitely have more people snapping and going on sprees though. I'm actually amazed it doesn't happen more often. Where I grew up it doesn't even enter your mind to go collect weapons, you just get out of shitty situations and shitty neighborhoods not stockpile ammunition. Very few angry teenagers with access to weapons, and very few disgruntled people ready to hurt someone. of course that's all changing with radicalization now so what ultimately is the answer? Are you asking me for an ultimate answer? I don't have one, but I can tell you it doesn't include more guns. An interesting comparison though is how gun culture is different (not thinking of how easy it is to access them, but how we handle them). In America its your right. In Norway you have to have a gun cabinet (and it has to be locked at all times other than when you retrieve it). And everyone getting one has to pass an extenisve hunting exam (a written one, similar to the theoretical part of getting a driver's license). How are your guys' rules on this? |
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 5, 2017 19:03:52 GMT
What do you think is the major problem then why America has so many gun related terrorist attacks vs European countries? That's a leading question. If you remove the word 'gun' from your equation, it becomes clear how narrow-minded you're being. There are bad people all over the place. What weapon the bad guys use makes little difference to the victim, I'd imagine. Does Europe have fewer terror attacks than the U.S.? It doesn't seem like it to me. The number of guns in America and to our northern and southern borders would make a ban little more than writing on paper. A man like the Las Vegas shooter, a millionaire on a murderous mission, isn't going to say, Aw shucks, better live a decent life! Can't get those guns! He's already set on breaking our most serious law - murder. A gun law isn't going to stop him. Just like laws against making bombs haven't stopped terrorists in Europe. Here's a chart for your consideration:  Here's the highly regarded source: link |
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Post by Balder on Oct 5, 2017 20:23:19 GMT
I like how you choose to include a statistic that includes the only noteworthy terrorist attack that has ever been in Norway and not include 9/11 for you guys.
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Post by Balder on Oct 5, 2017 20:49:56 GMT
In the US there has been almost 3000 acts of terrorism while in Norway there has been 2 that I can find.
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 5, 2017 21:45:33 GMT
In the US there has been almost 3000 acts of terrorism while in Norway there has been 2 that I can find. Nice try. The fact of the matter is, I have a chart and you don't. How do you explain that one, Balder? Did you see my chart above? Because I didn't see yours. Because you don't have one. And I do. |
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Post by winnersdontusedrugs on Oct 5, 2017 21:47:53 GMT
I like how you choose to include a statistic that includes the only noteworthy terrorist attack that has ever been in Norway and not include 9/11 for you guys. Because that chart involves mass shootings, 9/11 wasn't a shooting. Did you not just specify shootings yourself in that earlier comment. |
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Post by billspreston on Oct 5, 2017 22:04:25 GMT
That chart includes Canada, and once again Canada brings the US down.
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Post by scipioafricanus on Oct 5, 2017 23:48:04 GMT
What do you think is the major problem then why America has so many gun related terrorist attacks vs European countries? You really have to be careful when you find terrorist attack stats in the US; firearm deaths too. One group had a stat for gun homicides, but it included the terrorists who died in the incident (as well as a cop killer who happened to get gunned down by the police after the fact). Others inflate what "terrorism" means. |
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 6, 2017 7:40:34 GMT
That chart includes Canada, and once again Canada brings the US down. Au contraire mon frère. They are on the list, how you say, separately? In this case, Canada, she is pushing the USA up, no? |
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Post by Balder on Oct 6, 2017 8:08:24 GMT
I like how you choose to include a statistic that includes the only noteworthy terrorist attack that has ever been in Norway and not include 9/11 for you guys. Because that chart involves mass shootings, 9/11 wasn't a shooting. Did you not just specify shootings yourself in that earlier comment. Yeah that is fine, but you guys are so keen to bring up truck terrorism in France that I though it didn't matter so much. I was iust comparing the biggest terrorism act in Norway to the biggest one in the US. |
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Post by Balder on Oct 6, 2017 8:09:36 GMT
What do you think is the major problem then why America has so many gun related terrorist attacks vs European countries? You really have to be careful when you find terrorist attack stats in the US; firearm deaths too. One group had a stat for gun homicides, but it included the terrorists who died in the incident (as well as a cop killer who happened to get gunned down by the police after the fact). Others inflate what "terrorism" means. It was from Wikipedia, I'll get around to checking out it's sources later. It was specifically around 2700 or something. |
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Post by Balder on Oct 6, 2017 8:11:28 GMT
In the US there has been almost 3000 acts of terrorism while in Norway there has been 2 that I can find. Nice try. The fact of the matter is, I have a chart and you don't. How do you explain that one, Balder? Did you see my chart above? Because I didn't see yours. Because you don't have one. And I do. I can read statistics Dan, and yours is incredibly biased, to the point where it's completely pointless and of no value. |
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Oct 6, 2017 16:03:53 GMT
I can read statistics Dan, and yours is incredibly biased, to the point where it's completely pointless and of no value. It's alright, Balder . I get it. You're more than a little scared right now, and that's understandable. If I were living in Norway, I'd be scared, too. To all of us, it's just a statistic - Norway had by far the highest death rate per million people from Mass Public Shootings from 2009 through 2015. That's a sobering fact, to be sure, but you're the one who has to live in that frightening cess pit of violence each and every day. I don't envy you. But I do worry for your safety. My advice to you is this: book the earliest flight out of Norway and don't look back. Secure your future, Balder. We're all praying for you. |
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