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Post by stratogustav on Apr 1, 2020 21:09:53 GMT
Hey, just to be clear, I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything - I'm just trying to give you guys a report on how things are going on in my country, more as a way to blow off some steam due to this stressful situation that sucks so much. As the politics here got mad and not really comparable to any of your countries, I'm also giving some context if any of you is interested in looking at how each country is dealing with the virus. I would certainly like to hear from Balder how Norway is dealing with it and from centipede more about Australia (he mentioned just a bit in the WuFlu thread), just for curiosity's sake. My biggest worried is for Latin America in general because in Europe and U.S. people does suffer when they lose a family member, they definitely do, but it is not near on the same level as people in Latin America. In Latin America if you lose an aunt for example, it is almost like losing a son, it is on another level of suffering because extended families have the same level of closeness that nuclear families have. The problem is that the culture in Latin America is the exact same culture that Spain and Italy has, but the health systems are not the same, unless you talk about private hospitals, public hospitals for the most part are not as good as those in Italy and Spain. What this mayor in Italy is dealing with, is exactly what governments in Latin America will have to deal with as well, and it is not an ideal scenario. He is even asking them to go play PlayStation instead:
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Post by Balder on Apr 1, 2020 23:04:22 GMT
I question your logic there stratogustav. I think losing an aunt or an uncle is devastating depending on the person, not the culture, and I think most people would be more devastated by losing a child than an aunt or an uncle in general.
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 2, 2020 5:38:29 GMT
I question your logic there stratogustav. I think losing an aunt or an uncle is devastating depending on the person, not the culture, and I think most people would be more devastated by losing a child than an aunt or an uncle in general. I agree with that. I'm not denying that at all. I feel I wasn't clear enough. People in Latin America will also feel a son a lot more than the aunt, that's just common sense. My point is that a cousin and an aunt are so much closer even if they don't live in the same house. The difference of feelings between extended family members and nuclear family members is a lot smaller, and by a lot, I mean a lot. I do feel culture definitely has something to do with this. For example it is normal for people in United States to put the elders in nursery homes when they are older. But in Latin America is view like a really bad thing. Most people keep their parents at home even after they get married and have kids. You can claim that this happens because of the lack of money, and sure that probably helps the cause, but even when people have the resources, they do prefer to stay among family. That alone tells you the difference. Here is the opposite, they actually try to put their parents away because they become an inconvenience. They still love them like crazy, but they appreciate not living with them. Latin America is the exact opposite. Not to mention the way people react when someone dies is a lot more visual. Maybe that last part can be atributed to just how expressive people are than actual feelings. For example saying goal in Europe versus saying goooool in Latin America is different and perhaps that has nothing to do with feelings, but it is more about expressiveness. I can't make any generalizations because there are countless examples of the opposite, but for the most part extended families in Latin America have a connection I don't see in U.S., and I believe Europe is closer to that. For a time I lived in England as a kid and it was the same there as it is here in the States. I also believe that love and suffering can be quantified. You can love one person more than another, while still loving both. That said, I do agree it is not logical. If you think about it, Latin America countries are still more religious than many countries in Europe, and than urban United States. That makes it less congruent because the ones that believe in the afterlife do have a reason to be less sad considering they expect for people to live after death. However in my experience the ones that have no hope for an afterlife often take it more calmly, and with a lot more acceptance than those that believe in it. Again, I'm not saying people don't suffer everywhere, obviously they do. That's just part of being human, and it has nothing to do with culture. By the way, this is the quarantine game of the day for tomorrow, Saturday:
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 2, 2020 23:33:20 GMT
Considering we just hit the first milestone, I'm going to just list the numbers any time we hit another one. Like I said, we only test symptomatic people for the most part, and the numbers are simply not accurate. Good news is that since the whole world has been taking some kind of precaution one way or another, humanity has succeeded so far at stopping a dramatic spike. The rate this virus was increasing in the beginning was apoclyptical, but with all the measurements, it is still relatively manageable. That's not to say it can still go back to be an apocalyptical menace, it still can if for example people stop taking the measurements of prevention altogether. But so far the way the rate has slowed down significantly gives hope to all the third world countries that are about to get hit too, because many have been taking measurements already. I will however keep posting the game of the day because at least those are helpful for this mentally exhausting quarantine. Firing up the Minis is fun, and something to look forward every morning:
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 4, 2020 0:38:40 GMT
I can now see what Cervantes was saying about the people not happy with the government. I just saw this video about it: By the way, this is the quarantine game of the day:
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 4, 2020 10:06:34 GMT
I decided to edit out some of the disturbing videos because even though it is important to remind people to not take this lightly, I still feel being positive can also be helpful. In a way Cervantes as much as that President of yours is careless, and I'm not defending him at all, a level of optimism is actually good for the overall mental health of the people. On top of that it is remarkable what the whole world has accomplished stopping the spread. This thing was going to become a whole different beast, and even though it is still a beast, the quarantines have saved millions of lives already. And by speaking out many people are already saving lives everywhere like this Captain did with the people from his ship: I imagine he got fired because it is not good for the press to know a military ship in the Pacific had Covid-19 cases. That's way too close to China, and people can make the wrong assumptions. However it is still a positive thing to see the love from his soldiers for saving them. There are all kinds of weird news lately as well like this guy that tried to take down a navy hospital ship by taking a train off the track. Not even Grand Theft Auto is that crazy. That alone tells you the mental state of many people, and I feel that's why it is important to stay positive too, specially considering all the success we already had against the virus. This is the quarantine game of the day:
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Post by Spirit Bomb on Apr 5, 2020 2:59:15 GMT
Also, in honor of Spirit Bomb , this is now a pro Trump thread. Cobretti, as much as I disagree with your political views, I give you credit for being outspoken about your politics and not deceiving everyone around you like a phony, because there's nothing worse than a phony. I fucking HATE phonies. I have nothing but respect for those who are willing to be themselves. It means you're not a pussy and have balls of steel.
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Post by Cervantes on Apr 5, 2020 8:17:15 GMT
In a way Cervantes as much as that President of yours is careless, and I'm not defending him at all, a level of optimism is actually good for the overall mental health of the people. Optimism is good and needed right now, but it's not really what he is bringing (otherwise I would agree with you). His discourse is more like "This disease is only mortal to old people and having higher economy numbers is more important, so you should all go against the Health Minister's and your governor's recommendations and go back to work. If you don't, I'll pass another provisional measure to put your lives at risk until you go back." And then he activates a massive army of bots on Twitter and Whatsapp to spread fake news. It's like this almost everyday, so people's mental health, especially poor people, is getting worse. More recently, his son (a congressman) and one of his closest ministers started spreading very prejudiced memes against China on Twitter (on the level of writing tweets with Ls instead of Rs, low-brow stuff), was called on by China's ambassor in a very strong worded open letter, kept doing that, then China just cancelled a shipment of critical medical supplies to Brazil. It was not the only reason (the US intercepted the shipment and paid more for it, the shit side of capitalism at its best), but certainly starting a random diplomatic crisis with them doesn't help. That's the level of stupidity we are dealing with.
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Post by Balder on Apr 5, 2020 10:13:52 GMT
Also, in honor of Spirit Bomb , this is now a pro Trump thread. Cobretti, as much as I disagree with your political views, I give you credit for being outspoken about your politics and not deceiving everyone around you like a phony, because there's nothing worse than a phony. I fucking HATE phonies. I have nothing but respect for those who are willing to be themselves. It means you're not a pussy and have balls of steel. Am I a phony?
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 5, 2020 12:22:32 GMT
Optimism is good and needed right now, but it's not really what he is bringing (otherwise I would agree with you). His discourse is more like "This disease is only mortal to old people and having higher economy numbers is more important, so you should all go against the Health Minister's and your governor's recommendations and go back to work. If you don't, I'll pass another provisional measure to put your lives at risk until you go back." And then he activates a massive army of bots on Twitter and Whatsapp to spread fake news. It's like this almost everyday, so people's mental health, especially poor people, is getting worse. It sounds like people love the health minister, which doesn't make sense, since I imagine they are from the same party. How is it it that they are opposite? Isn't the health minister supposed to be picked by the executive? So you are basically saying his own people is against him. Now, that's bad. I'm not in Brazil so I don't know what the situation is, only someone inside can probably know. That's why is always weird with Venezuela. Venezuela's President sounds to me like a tyrant, but you still don't see people taking him down, so it is hard to know what's really going on there. It sounds to me from what you are saying that the approval ratings for Brazil's President are at an all time low which means he probably won't get re-election. This could help his opposition, and I don't know if that's a good thing. This is why I don't like the two party systems, it is too easy for the government to become corrupt. I see Nancy Pelosi in Congress, and it feels like she has been there all the time. In fact I see the same people in Congress all the time, and that to me is a dictatorship because the legislative power is just as powerful as the executive, and as the judicial. People don't like to see the same people on the executive, but usually the people that end up on the executive come from the Senate or the House of Representatives, and it is the same people all the time. The only one that has been different is Trump, and that's why he gets so much shit from the other politicians because he is not one of them. It should never be a "them", it should always be changing so no one has time to get corrupted. I get it, you need some kind expertise to have some of those positions, and that can only be accomplished with time. However that's just in theory, in practice I feel someone with fresh new ideas can accomplish so much more. The problem is that if someone fresh comes in, it is basically him against the world, and when you have that much people trying to influence you, those fresh ideas get lost, and the new guy gets also indoctrinated. So the systems remain corrupted, and it is hard to do things right. That said, some countries are lucky because they are sitting on natural resources, and they can exploit them. Others have too little to offer, and that makes it hard for them. Then there are those countries that have natural resources, but their governments are just way too corrupt, and that's a no go too. I'm actually very impressed with Asian countries right now. I mean Taiwan is basically China, and look how they are doing in this situation, also look at Japan, and South Korea. I feel the idea of "first world" is totally changing now. I feel we have it all wrong. Changing topic a little, this is the quarantine game of the day:
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Post by Cervantes on Apr 5, 2020 14:11:43 GMT
Isn't the health minister supposed to be picked by the executive? So you are basically saying his own people is against him. Now, that's bad. Pretty much this. Right now, the president is practically isolated and almost no other politician, except for his closest circle, wants to be associated with him. His previous associates are all jumping ship and being very outspoken about it. The only reason why he hasn't fired the Health Minister yet (although he threatened to do it more than once) is because his remaining popularity with his supporters would finally plummet down, as the minister is being seen as the sole voice of reason in his government during this crisis. The minister, on the other hand, said that he won't quit unless he is fired, so that's the current situation. I don't even think the president will make it to the end of his term, he certainly shouldn't. If impeachment wasn't such a drawn out process (so the congress seems to be avoiding to use it yet), I think he would already be out.
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Post by cobretti on Apr 5, 2020 19:40:52 GMT
Cobretti, as much as I disagree with your political views, I give you credit for being outspoken about your politics and not deceiving everyone around you like a phony, because there's nothing worse than a phony. I fucking HATE phonies. I have nothing but respect for those who are willing to be themselves. It means you're not a pussy and have balls of steel. Am I a phony? You're certainly BALONY
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 6, 2020 23:27:38 GMT
Things haven't changed much, economy is on free fall, and death tolls keep rising, but it is a much better situation than what could have been if no one was staying home. Wearing masks is actually very effective. Asian countries have done it, and they had great results, but soap is still the most effective thing against the virus. It looks like gun sales are at an all time high, some States have said they have a shortage, and applications for gun licenses have went up significantly. They are basically the new toilet paper. As I mentioned in my post from March 20th, this makes sense, people wants to be prepared because a bad economy is not a good thing, specially for certain areas where crime can become a problem, and I guess that explains why so many guns are being sold right now. Quarantine game of the day:
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 7, 2020 20:24:29 GMT
So the top epidemiology doctors from the country in the white house advised not to go out even to the grocery store, or the pharmacy: It doesn't make sense because once the quarantine is over then everyone can get sick, and we can get new multiple peaks across the country. However I see their point. They don't want to have continue peaks, and may want to have a little break in between those peaks, specially for the doctors that are overworked. Quarantine game of the day:
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Post by stratogustav on Apr 8, 2020 23:55:56 GMT
If we had an official biological warfare between U.S. and China where economies were threatened, it would look exactly like our current pandemic. Many other countries would get caught up in the middle of the war, and their economies would also be affected. So even though we are not at war, there is no difference, the results are the same, at least in terms of the economies rapidly collapsing. Luckily, capitalism is stronger than ever, and it can take a few big hits. The problem is that if the hits continue, and quarantines are broken, then curves and peaks will become cyclical, and it is not only economies what would suffer, but the most basic civilian liberties as well. We definitely don't want that. The Patriot Act was already a problem. If Hilary was in charge, we would likely be looking at something worse in terms of future acts. I guess sometimes, coincidentally, things do happen for a reason, but as long as people stay safe, a few sacrifices are all well worth it, as long as there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Quarantine game of the day:
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