billspreston
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Post by billspreston on Aug 21, 2017 21:13:59 GMT
always wanted to do that. Hey John Waters can we think of examples that aren't 'camp' bad? Exnay on the DFEyay
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 21, 2017 21:49:43 GMT
Hey John Waters can we think of examples that aren't 'camp' bad? In another thread, Bill. This isn't about unenjoyably bad games. This thread is for games that are "so bad they're good." And you're not worthy of that gif.
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 21, 2017 22:08:19 GMT
YES. I agree with this statement 100%. So you must agree, then, that there are two ways to achieve this goal: -Either by accidental failure for accidental fun OR -By intentional failure for intentional fun. Correct? No LOL! You can't twist it. In this art if something is donde intentionally and it succeeds it is 100% good.
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 21, 2017 22:12:58 GMT
YES. I agree with this statement 100%. So you must agree, then, that there are two ways to achieve this goal: -Either by accidental failure for accidental fun OR -By intentional failure for intentional fun. Correct? No LOL! You can't twist it. In this art if something is donde intentionally and it succeeds it is 100% good. I owe Cervantes a beer. I really thought you'd finally get it. Oh well. That was my best shot. Peace ✌. I'm out.
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 21, 2017 22:16:54 GMT
I owe Cervantes a beer. I really thought you'd finally get it. Oh well. That was my best shot. Peace ✌. I'm out. I get it alright. I get it that you are living in capricho. You had been presented with a better alternative of life and a better way of perceiving the world, laid right in front of your eyes, and yet you have said no on favor of the greater bad. Only for capricho. Sad.
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Cervantes
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Post by Cervantes on Aug 21, 2017 22:18:46 GMT
stratogustav - I'll post just because I'm curious. If my intention is to make a boring game and I succeed at doing it, then how would you classify my game? You said various times that if something works as intended, then it is good. So you have to consider my game a good one. But in the first page, you said a boring game is automatically bad. So you have to consider my game a bad one. How do you see a situation like this? Do you comsider the possibility that my intention itself might be bad, or every time something works as intended it is automatically good, as you just said? Is my boring game successful/good or not? Sincerely curious. I love discussing things like this.
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 21, 2017 22:21:43 GMT
stratogustav - I'll post just because I'm curious. If my intention is to make a boring game and I succeed at doing it, then how would you classify my game? It would be the opposite of bad but good. So it would be good but bad. It may have an artistic satisfaction for the maker, but it would be bad for anyone else that doesn't get his intention. A lot of Indie games there.
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billspreston
Cheru Wing
I wrote Max Reebo's first 3 hits
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Post by billspreston on Aug 21, 2017 22:23:30 GMT
Due to the unforgiving nature of time and technology, this 3D0 game has not held up well at all. I give you DRAGON LORE™
it's like watching a Dire Straits video. Or better yet a Weird Al parody
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 21, 2017 22:32:05 GMT
I get it alright. I get it that you are living in capricho.
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Cervantes
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Post by Cervantes on Aug 21, 2017 22:35:33 GMT
stratogustav - Thanks for clarifying, mate. I don't agree with your reducionist view of a game being just good or bad (no middle ground) and this being evaluated just according to the "intention" (especially since games are colaborative efforts, so each person in the development team might have a wildly different intention), but I like to read about your opinions. This was a nice discussion after all. So much that I even came back to it.
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 21, 2017 22:57:14 GMT
stratogustav - Thanks for clarifying, mate. I don't agree with your reducionist view of a game being just good or bad (no middle ground) and this being evaluated just according to the "intention" (especially since games are colaborative efforts, so each person in the development team might have a wildly different intention), but I like to read about your opinions. This was a nice discussion after all. So much that I even came back to it. Not at all. Lots of middle ground there. Not such thing as what you are saying. If one guy at the the team fails at his part then what he fails at is bad. For example if someone is in charge of voice acting and he purposefully tries to make the acting sound a certain way, but he fails at it. Even if the rest of the game was good, the failing acting would remain as bad. That end ups as the bad aspect of that game. So a game can have a lot of good and bad in it. It can have a bad direction with two different opinions colliding, etc.. Lots of middle ground. It just happens that some games like EDF are just good overall. The same goes with many musuo games. Am I saying all musuo games are good? Of course not. Some are better than others. It happens on every genre.
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 21, 2017 22:57:52 GMT
This was a nice discussion after all. So much that I even came back to it.
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centipede
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Post by centipede on Aug 22, 2017 23:48:39 GMT
Everyone all settled here? Good.
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stratogustav
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Post by stratogustav on Aug 23, 2017 7:21:36 GMT
We were just running through some social conditioning and advertising marketing stuff. It is easy for people to lose track of what matters when you get bombarded with the same concepts over and over again. Luckily we are all cool with having some heat going on in our forums and it is totally welcomed because we are that cool. I honestly doubt there is a gaming forum cooler than ours. We have the best people.
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Dan E. Kool
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Post by Dan E. Kool on Aug 23, 2017 8:19:01 GMT
This was a good thread. The Pub has been a little slow lately, so cranking out six pages like we did is pretty impressive. Granted, it was mostly just three people posting back and forth. And we repeated ourselves perhaps four times over. And we all leave with the same opinions that we entered with. But the point is, we wrote a lot of words. And that's what counts. There are some in the Pub who are very non-confrontational. Believe it or not, that's not me. I agree with stratogustav. A little bit of spice livens the place up, so long as we're civil. Which we were. Mostly. If we want to split hairs, there was a bit of ad hominem going around. On both sides. But that's all water under the bridge.
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